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India-Pakistan
Pakistan troops 'aid Taliban'
2008-06-22
The Pakistani Frontier Corps has been heavily infiltrated and influenced by Taliban militants, sometimes joining in attacks on coalition forces, according to classified US 'after-action' reports compiled following clashes on the border.

According to those familiar with the material, regarded as deeply sensitive by the Pentagon in view of America's fragile relationship with Pakistan, there are 'box loads' of such reports at US bases along the length of the Pakistan-Afghan border. Details of the level of infiltration emerged yesterday on a day when five more US-led soldiers were killed in southern Afghanistan. Four of the soldiers died in a bomb and gunfire attack outside the southern city of Kandahar.

Nato officials have reported a dramatic increase in cross-border incidents compared with the same period last year. The US documents describe the direct involvement of Frontier Corps troops in attacks on the Afghan National Army and coalition forces, and also detail attacks launched so close to Frontier Corps outposts that Pakistani co-operation with the Taliban is assumed.

'The reality,' said a source familiar with the situation on the ground, 'is that there are units so opposed to what the coalition is doing and so friendly to the other side that when the opportunity comes up they will fire on Afghan and coalition troops. And this is not random. It can be exceptionally well co-ordinated.'

Another source - who has seen the reporting - described an attack last year where two Frontier Corps outposts appear to have been directly involved in firing on Afghan forces before a militant attack.

Frontier Corps personnel have in the past been implicated in the past in murdering US and Afghan officers. In the most high-profile case, a Frontier Corps member 'assassinated' Major Larry J Bauguess during a border mediation meeting. In another incident, an Afghan officer was killed. Since then the problem appears to have worsened as the Taliban renew their insurgency on the Afghan side of the border.

'The United States and Nato have substantial information on this problem,' said an American official. 'It's taking place at a variety of places along the border with the Frontier Corps giving direct and indirect assistance. I'm not saying it is everyone. There are some parts that have been quite helpful... but if you have seen the after-action reports of their involvement in attacks along the Afghan border you would appreciate the problem.'

James Appathurai, a Nato spokesman, said: 'The real concern is that the extremists in Pakistan are getting safe havens to rest, recuperate and retool in Pakistan and come across the border. The concerns have been conveyed to the Pakistan authorities.'

Seth Jones, author of the Rand report, which found evidence of collaboration, said the issue had been troubling the US even before the invasion of Afghanistan: 'If you go back a decade to the Clinton administration when the US targeted militant camps, members of the Pakistani intelligence services were killed along with militants.'

The allegation that senior Pakistani officials continue to offer lukewarm assistance to the coalition while offering help to the Taliban is also reiterated in Descent into Chaos, a new book by the veteran Pakistani author Ahmed Rashid.

Relations between the US and Pakistan were strained this month when 11 members of the Frontier Corps were killed when the US allegedly bombed their outpost near the border town of Gora Prai during a gun battle with militants on the border. Pakistani sources have questioned why the troops were hiding in a bunker in the midst of the battle and why they were 'unaware' of an hour-long firefight going on so close by.

The issue of the Taliban's ability to cross and recross the border with Pakistan into that country's Federally Administered Tribal Areas is becoming one of the most contentious issues of the war, with many - including Afghan President Hamid Karzai - insisting that his country is involved in a 'regional conflict' and threatening to send troops across the border.

The death of the five soldiers yesterday came as the Taliban stepped up their offensive. It happened a day after two other US-led soldiers died in separate incidents, including a suicide bombing.
Posted by:john frum

#20  dunno, I'm just tickled by Pappy being called a muppet. I'd bet big $ he's never been called that before :-)
Posted by: Frank G   2008-06-22 23:08  

#19  Must be those pesky Paki officers that escaped from Kunduz in the airlift that never happened.
Posted by: 3dc   2008-06-22 21:48  

#18  feckin redneck trailer trash muppet!
Posted by Paul


And your point, sir?



Oscar's got a shiv, just for you ...

Smooth shout from Estonia. Keepin' a lookout on the Rooskies.

Posted by: Mizzou Mafia   2008-06-22 17:37  

#17  and look at how redneck I am, I screwed up the html formatting. oh well, hopefully the intelligent readers will be able to figure out what I wanted to say, and explain it to the others.
Posted by: Abdominal Snowman   2008-06-22 17:15  

#16  >em>Lastly, just because I live in the Mojave, I'm not a 'feckin redneck trailer trash muppet'. There are a lot of them out here. It's just that some of us are here because our duties require it.

Don't worry, Pappy, someday you'll escape the redneck oppression of the Mojave for some distant upscale Paradise with Sagueros, and things will be better.
Posted by: Abdominal Snowman   2008-06-22 17:14  

#15  Paul, FYI, they've been hearing about the Talib and ISI links from me here, for (literally) years. Even when I was (briefly) at Bagram.
Posted by: OldSpook   2008-06-22 15:45  

#14  The "gentlemen" of the Burg have spoken! Flame wars are unnecessary. A totally awesome a$$-whuppin of Pakistan may be exactly the medicine the doctor ordered. Level the place, and only rebuild the parts of Karachi and a road north we need to move supplies to Afghanistan. Heck, while we're at it, we might even build a high-altitude train link from Karachi to Kabul, with stops along the way to supply garrison forces in Pakiwakiland. NO NATIONBUILDING or reconstruction. Let the "pakistanis" do the rebuilding in their own inestimable ways. Let them learn that there are some people you just don't mess with. That's a lesson we've failed to teach since 1945. The world's a sorrier place for it.
Posted by: Old Patriot   2008-06-22 14:29  

#13  My dear Paul, this is Rantburg.

I vote deh string bean punishment
Posted by: HalfEmpty   2008-06-22 14:13  

#12  LOL Pan
Posted by: Frank G   2008-06-22 14:04  

#11  Muppet??? Is that all the better he could do. Damn Frank, your really slippin here. I can only wonder what he will say when he's really pissed off. Maybe he'll even call ya a wanker!! OMG... Would ya piss him off some more,do it again, do it again, I need a good laugh!!!
Posted by: 49 Pan   2008-06-22 13:54  

#10  hmmmm, but you didn't really refute the "muppet" part....

There are days ...
Posted by: Pappy   2008-06-22 13:48  

#9  feckin redneck trailer trash muppet!

HEY, Watch your mouth Bub, I resemble that remark.
Posted by: Redneck Jim   2008-06-22 13:33  

#8  I don't see anywhere in the article saying how many Frontier troops fired on us and ended up getting killed. I wonder if Pakistan has been quietly doctoring their own records when one of the Frontier Troops goes "missing". I also wonder now how many of our supposed Taliban kills are actually Pakistan army troops.

I was aware of the interference, I just didn't think Frontier Troops were stupid enough to get in the firefight. Usually people like to offer support over their from a distance, not get involved personally.
Posted by: Charles   2008-06-22 13:13  

#7  hmmmm, but you didn't really refute the "muppet" part....


:-)
Posted by: Frank G   2008-06-22 12:31  

#6  Muppet? Paul dear, that is very sad, indeed. Either apologize to Pappy for your rudeness like a gentleman, or take a time out in the corner like a child.
Posted by: trailing wife    2008-06-22 12:30  

#5  My dear Paul, this is Rantburg.

We have a very diverse readership. Active and retired military, specialists in terrorism/counter-terrorism, active and retired 'spooks', people who work in think-tanks and in politics. Oh, and grocery store managers, housewives, used car salesmen - you get the picture.

All snarks aside, the vast majority of our readers are well-read and most are highly educated. They come from all aspects of the political spectrum.

I would say that nearly all are quite aware who the 'players' are and on what side they are on. Telling Rantburg that Pakistan, Saudi, China, Russia, Iran, etc., are the enemy (with multiple exclamation points) is like announcing that water is wet and things plummet to the earth because of gravity.

Your IP addy indicates you're from the UK. Surely there are perspectives from your area you can contribute. Our readers from France, Spain, Australia, Thailand, Greece (when he isn't being an insufferable ass) all contribute useful news, analysis, and perspectives. Even our occasional Saudi reader has useful posts (to serve as an example of a wahabbi whack-job, if nothing else).

The mission of the 'Burg is to provide information on terrorism, the war on terrorism, and the politics and events surrounding it all. Even if you post that muslims in your neck of the woods are a**holes and why, it's more useful than stating the obvious.

Lastly, just because I live in the Mojave, I'm not a 'feckin redneck trailer trash muppet'. There are a lot of them out here. It's just that some of us are here because our duties require it.
Posted by: Pappy   2008-06-22 12:02  

#4  that pappy is a tosser of the higest order

feckin redneck trailer trash muppet!
Posted by: Paul   2008-06-22 11:12  

#3  Any more pearls of previously-undiscovered wisdom. Paul?
Posted by: Pappy   2008-06-22 10:55  

#2  pakistan is an enemy of india,afghan and the west.its true allies are china,russia and saudi!!!
Posted by: Paul   2008-06-22 04:51  

#1  And US taxpayers aid Pakistan troops.

And this is an election year. I hope McCain planned for the Pakistan and Iraq betrayals. Occupied Iraq is demanding unacceptable pre-conditions, viz the SOFA deal. I smell manipulation of the US election. Obama could eat this up.
Posted by: McZoid   2008-06-22 01:26  

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