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| UK: Young Muslims 'are turning to extremism' | |
| 2008-06-22 | |
| Increasing numbers have become so alienated from mainstream society that they could even lend their support to jihadi terrorism, the study claims. While most reject violence, many distrust police and are reluctant to inform on extremists. The report was commissioned by the Association of Chief Police Officers (Acpo) after last year's failed bomb attacks in London's West End and at Glasgow Airport. It is to be discussed at Acpo's annual conference this week. In the most comprehensive research of its kind to date, Prof Martin Innes, of the Universities' Police Science Institute in Cardiff, led a team of researchers which carried out face-to-face and telephone interviews with more than 600 Muslims in London, Birmingham and Oldham. They found that the radicalisation of young British Muslims was more widespread than previously feared, with 'a disturbing proportion' expressing support for extremist elements. The report, which is being distributed among senior officers, Whitehall officials and ministers, finds that: • Anger and disaffection are 'widespread in sections of Muslim youth'. The study, entitled Hearts and Minds and Eyes and Ears: Reducing Radicalisation Risks Through Reassurance Orientated Policing, warns that 'the threat to the UK from jihadist terrorism may increase in the future'. It concludes: 'Increasing numbers of young Muslim people are becoming sufficiently disaffected with their lives in liberal-democratic-capitalist societies that they might be willing to support violent terrorism to articulate their disillusionment and disengagement.' Across Britain, the security services have said they are tracking 2,000 individuals suspected of having links to terrorism, investigating 200 networks and monitoring 30 plots. Professor Innes's report warns that Islamist terror groups are increasingly operating away from traditional Muslim areas, and are seeking new ways to radicalise vulnerable young people. It comes as police investigate alleged terror plots in Exeter and Bristol. Anti-terrorism detectives have remarked on the speed with which young people have been converted to extremism and become involved in operations. The report says: 'Bringing people through faster might be a way of trying to limit the risks of detection prior to going operational. So whereas previously the al-Qa'eda network challenged state security services through using a small select cadre of skilled operatives, they might equally stretch capacity by mounting a larger number of less sophisticated attacks.' Arson, robbery, murder, rape, etc., etc. A poll last year by Populus found that 13 per cent of Muslims aged 16 to 24 'admire organisations like al-Qa'eda that are prepared to fight the West'. Ministers have announced a £12.5 million 'deradicalisation' programme aimed at tackling Islamist extremism at local level. But Prof Innes says that in order for this strategy to succeed, police will first have to overcome widespread Muslim distrust. 'Distrust'? Gosh, since when have Muslims trusted kuffirs? Have imams ever taught the 'faithful' to place their trust in Jews, Christians, and atheists? (this is a rhetorical question) He told The Telegraph: 'Within Muslim communities there are those people completely against the means and aims of terrorism, and there are those in favour. 'Then there is a disturbing proportion of people in the middle whose ideas, beliefs and support for extremism will shift depending on what's happening around them, what al-Qa'eda and their like are doing, and what the police are doing.' These, apparently, are the legendary 'moderate' Muslims.
The report says that 'neighbourhood policing' – the increased use of foot patrols introduced by the Home Office as a way to tackle crime – could help in the fight against terrorism. The only successful 'neighborhood policing' incident in a Muslim no-go zone that I know of involved a Muslim police officer ordering two Christian evangelists out of a Muslim neighborhood. An Acpo spokesman said: 'Among certain groups, low trust of the police inhibits people from coming forward to give information that may stop someone from heading towards radicalisation. Neighbourhood policing is crucial.' No, Mr. Acpo spokesman - 'Certain groups' think they are on the winning side. | |
| Posted by:mrp |
| #22 engineers Kan spel |
| Posted by: Frank G 2008-06-22 23:08 |
| #21 Deacon Blues, you're an engineer, so it isn't fair to expect you to spell. ;-) Besides, Bright Pebbles was just teasing. Much more useful comments, Paul. |
| Posted by: trailing wife 2008-06-22 22:03 |
| #20 OTOH, REDDIT/TOPIX > ONE-HALF OF BRITONS BELIEVE CHRISTIANITY WILL DISAPPEAR IN BRITAIN IN NEXT 100 YEARS. IIRC, ditto for 1/3 of CANADIANS but in 50-100 years [IOW, EARLIER than GBrit]??? |
| Posted by: JosephMendiola 2008-06-22 20:40 |
| #19 Bright Pebbles, I'm just a red-neck, trailer-trash, muppet from South Alabama. I also misspelled murder. Dopey me. |
| Posted by: Deacon Blues 2008-06-22 19:14 |
| #18 Labour govt encourage a welfare culture that make certain communities better off than working. If you are unemployed in UK you get your rent paid, no council tax, free health care, free education,free transport,dental work etc so because they are not ambitious/materialistic like us brits they are happy to collect pocket money of the govt and live life to a minimum ie no beer money/nice car/non council house etc!!!! Ps-I agree we let them live on the dole/welfare for years unlike the USA! |
| Posted by: Paul 2008-06-22 17:54 |
| #17 If that's so, Paul, how come the average musselman in thee US makes more than the average American? Perhaps we've been skimming the cream, but I suspect we also assimilate them better. Possibly. And it's likely a combination of all three: assimilation, getting the 'cream' and less generous welfare/more incentive to make a go of it. Then again (and this is harsh) in the US one could substitute other minorities and end up with a factual statement similar to Paul's. In fact, one could almost say New England and northern NJ sort of resemble Olde England in that respect. It's just that the radicalism that results tends not to be religion-based. |
| Posted by: Pappy 2008-06-22 17:17 |
| #16 I wonder how the Brit authorities reached this conclusion---I mean, what gave them the clue? |
| Posted by: g(r)omgoru 2008-06-22 16:56 |
| #15 Bottom line is this. They are not going to be happy until the radicals take over. When they contol everything and impose their so called Moslem law they still won't be happy. This people are just plain old unhappy. |
| Posted by: Art 2008-06-22 16:37 |
| #14 A realistic assessment is that the vast majority of Muslim yoots are feckless and useless. And while they are more than willing to support jihad, they equate it more with petty acts like vandalism, robbery and dirty fighting than serious terrorism. About the only two things that would be effective in dealing with them are either deportation, or sending them to very isolated, rural training camps and put them under military discipline for a few years. When they had graduated from that, the LAST thing they would want to do is make trouble. Instead they would settle down with minimum wage jobs and try to not make waves. Deportation is a lot cheaper in the long run. |
| Posted by: Anonymoose 2008-06-22 16:20 |
| #13 If that's so, Paul, how come the average musselman in thee US makes more than the average American? Perhaps we've been skimming the cream, but I suspect we also assimilate them better. And we don't keep them on the dole for life if they don't. |
| Posted by: Unoth Grundy6217 2008-06-22 16:18 |
| #12 Reality dictates: Muslim youth are only emulating the pedophile fraud who founded their murder cult. Muhammad kidnapped for ransom, murdered prisoners of war, waged war for booty, murdered a poet who criticized him, beheaded 900 members of a Jewish tribe, burned an Arab city (Taif) to the ground, excluded non muslims from mecca and medina, married a 6 year old, forced a nephew to divorce his wife because he wanted her, raped a Jewish woman on a battlefield while her dead husband's blood was on her garments, concocted heavenly rewards to induce murder and aggression, etc ad nauseum. The koran is a terror manual. Believers are bound by this order: "jihad is prescribed to you." Some only finance it, but Muslims are all in the terror game. Shake a so-called moderate, and you will eventually find anti-semitism, support for ethnic cleansing and terror. They are a global plague. And they have OUR oil. |
| Posted by: McZoid 2008-06-22 16:11 |
| #11 Most muslims in UK have a victim mentality where they dont bother looking for work as 'they wont get it as they are a muslim' mentality. Unemployment is high in muslim communities out of choice eg.laziness,praying five times a day,lacking business acumen unlike the indians in the uk who are harworking and successful! |
| Posted by: Paul 2008-06-22 16:01 |
| #10 Only Problem With DB's comment is that it's called Britain! You Americons and ur spelin. |
| Posted by: Bright Pebbles 2008-06-22 15:27 |
| #9 I'd be disaffected too if the insurance company repudiated my claim for my car when I torched it myself |
| Posted by: rhodesiafever 2008-06-22 14:49 |
| #8 Comment quote of the day from Deacon Blues. Word. |
| Posted by: Steve White 2008-06-22 14:49 |
| #7 Poor widdle muzzies can't face the jump from a 9th Century existence to a 21st century existence, so they're gonna tear it down. That'll bring everybody back to the same level, but I'm not sure a lot of Brits would appreciate that. Might be some murder and meyhem among muzzies if that should happen. I know a few of my distant relatives in Scotland and the Outer Islands might have something to say about that. They're beginning to enjoy indoor plumbing, especially in the winter. |
| Posted by: Old Patriot 2008-06-22 14:43 |
| #6 I just dropped by to call Pappy a muppet. He Waldorf with extra ear-hares. Thanks you for you time. |
| Posted by: HalfEmpty 2008-06-22 14:20 |
| #5 It really makes ya wonder about Briton when a Radical Muslim Imam preaching muder and hate can get a visa to speak in England and Martha Stewart is considered an undesirable because supposedly lied about a crime she didn't commit. |
| Posted by: Deacon Blues 2008-06-22 14:18 |
| #4 Real headline: Vast numbers of muslims have alienated themselves from mainstream society so that they could lend their support to jihadi terrorism. |
| Posted by: Bright Pebbles 2008-06-22 13:58 |
| #3 No shit, Sherlock! The UK authorities should be strapped into chairs and forced to read every article on Rantburg for the last year. Maybe then they will have a freakin' clue about the cancer growing in their midst. |
| Posted by: Gliling Lumplump3518 2008-06-22 13:45 |
| #2 Cleaning up police policies might help too. I wouldn't rat out a terrorist in the UK for fear they would find out about it from one of their friends on the force. |
| Posted by: Unoth Grundy6217 2008-06-22 13:19 |
| #1 deportations will help with this festering sore. Send em back to Pakland |
| Posted by: Frank G 2008-06-22 12:39 |