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| Sarkozy call for second EU vote provokes storm in Ireland |
| 2008-07-17 |
| Do it again and again, til you get it right! Irish politicians reacted angrily Wednesday after French President Nicolas Sarkozy suggested Ireland should hold a second referendum on the EU's new treaty, after rejecting it last month. Irish voters dealt a blow to the European Union last month by rejecting the Lisbon Treaty in the only popular vote on the text anywhere in the 27-nation bloc. According to deputies who attended a meeting with Sarkozy Tuesday, he said that the Irish would "have to re-vote", despite 53 percent opposition. A key adviser to the French president said later on Wednesday that Sarkozy could ask Ireland to hold a second referendum on the document, but with some minor changes. "One of the solutions would be indeed to eventually ask the Irish to re-vote, but probably not on a text that would be exactly the same," said Henri Guaino in an interview to French television. "We'll see," he added. Guaino stressed that Sarkozy's remarks, widely reported in the press, were "not an official statement from the president." Sarkozy's comments were described as "deeply insulting" by Sinn Fein's Aengus O Snodaigh, who speaks for the party on international affairs. Sinn Fein was the only major political party in Ireland to oppose the Lisbon Treaty. "In the month since the Irish people voted overwhelmingly to reject the Lisbon Treaty, we have listened to a succession of EU leaders lining up to try and bully and coerce us into doing what they want," O Snodaigh said. "The fact is that the people have spoken and the Lisbon Treaty is dead." He added that Sinn Fein had sought a meeting with Sarkozy when he visits Ireland Monday. "It is important that President Sarkozy understands that the Irish people demand that our vote is respected and, more importantly, our concerns addressed," he said. |
| Posted by:Frank G |
| #11 Outstanding assessment anon5089. |
| Posted by: Besoeker 2008-07-17 21:12 |
| #10 Re: Posts #7, #8 and #9 Many thanks to you, anon5089. Great stuff and you have absolutely made my day by writing this. |
| Posted by: Canuckistan sniper 2008-07-17 19:48 |
| #9 And to add a bit more, I'd say that what I've said for France is true to different extents to most of western societies, INCLUDING the USA. I know this is not polite to mention that in good sociey, but the white race has a rather bumpy future ahead of itself, as its Nations are turned the ones after the others in colorful, multicultural, diverse... errrr... brazil (though brazil itself is on an upward trend), with all the accompanying joys. All this while the rest of the world actually get "purer" ethnically - just ask the european whites in africa! |
| Posted by: anonymous5089 2008-07-17 13:40 |
| #8 Ah, but in France, the peasants aren't allowed to vote on such important things as international treaties. In France, the peasants have an habit since 1789 of having convulsive crisis that usually result in regime changes... in 200 years, as I like to enumerate in no particular order as my grasp of elementary History is a bit flimsy, 5 republics, 2 empires, one short-lived mob rule, one directorate, 1 constitutional monarchy, 1 dictatorship, one occupation gvt, hum... I'm certainly missing a few, all born on the ashes of the precedent one after a crisis, armed or not, as is the norm with the irremediably divised post-Revolution french society. So, while I'm not particularly looking forward to it, comfortably hidden in my cozy infantilized bubble that I am, I have no doubts sooner or later the peasants will throw an hissy fit, probably sooner than later, given the "ripeness" of the 5th, the state of public finances, the general decay of France, the nullity of our Enlightened Elites (starting with sarko, the "lawyer" who never was anything else than a professional pol and speak french like the uneducated spoiled limousine brat he's been and still is)... my only real concern, through in fact, as long as I can shop on ebay, I don't really care, is that 1) the french are totally feminized (not because they're french, mind you, but because post-60's western societies are feminized, and this is true for the USA as well, for an unknown for me, but clearly real part, just think about the way your education system treats boys, or your legal system treats divorcee husbands); 2) the french are economically ignorant, thanks to the marxist-slanted public education, in fact, the brain-death of our economy is attributed to the "rampant free market economy" (while post-WWII France is something of an USSR that succeeded... for a while), even by the supposed "rightwingers" (who are socialists like all the others, they're just less shy about their racism)... so any type of "revolution" would vertainly be an involutive one, going to MORE socialism, and blaming the jooooooooooos (whose own very vocal & visible Enlightened Elites will reap what they sowed, much to the chagrin of the ordinary french jew), and the USA (not that it will matter much, of course); and, compounding 1) & 2),... 3) there are say, 10-12, perhaps 15 or more millions of non-europeans, massively african, turkish and arab, living in France, younger, not devirilized, whose "rowdier" parts have total control of the street, with massive friendly populations just on the other side of the Meditteranea, plus turkey... oh, and did I mention that the french army is only a shadow of what a standing army should be, and that police could NOT control adequatly the relatively "modest" 2005 ramadan riots, being ordered by the then interior minister (I think his name was nicolas s.) to avoid confrontation and avoid at all cost any casualties among the rioters, so to keep the situation in check? So, to end my rant, my conclusion is I'd better hurry getting more stuff from Evil Ebay while I can. |
| Posted by: anonymous5089 2008-07-17 13:35 |
| #7 In 2005, the french voted "non" with a good majority, so this repackaged constitution was passed through the parliament, with a very touching almost unanimity from the MP. As for sarko, well, his oppostion to the entry of turkey into the EU was one of his presidential selling points, but, alas, like his others firm stances, this has gone under the bus™. Sark, don't piss off the Irish. Seriously. You dont want that. Why? What could the irish do, except keeping getting an high economical growth, compared to the slumpish, impotent french economy? Let sarko piss them off if he wishes, why not, it's not like this is a pub brawl... in fact, I'm happy he shows himself to be like he's seen in France, I was amused/bothered by the english language press that pictured him as some kind of Reagan rethread. He's not, he's shitraq, only younger, and even less popular, for the leftists (who need to have him being a fascist), for the wingnuts (because he's a "jooooooooooooooooo", because he's sold to the Evil americans,...), and for the man on the street (because he's a blowhard more interested in his PR than any actual reforming). |
| Posted by: anonymous5089 2008-07-17 13:13 |
| #6 Ah, but in France, the peasants aren't allowed to vote on such important things as international treaties They did get to vote on the last one, but got it wrong. |
| Posted by: DoDo 2008-07-17 12:54 |
| #5 Sark, don't piss off the Irish. Seriously. You dont want that. |
| Posted by: OldSpook 2008-07-17 12:53 |
| #4 Ah, but in France, the peasants aren't allowed to vote on such important things as international treaties. So Sarkozy and the rest of the EU elite don't have to worry what the people think. |
| Posted by: Rambler in California 2008-07-17 12:29 |
| #3 The same France which withheld a military proposal until after the Irish voted because it would have influenced more Irish to vote no? And as I understand it, Ireland is not the only country not especially excited about lisbon. Check your own constituants Mr. Sarkozy. |
| Posted by: swksvolFF 2008-07-17 11:48 |
| #2 Send some Northsiders over to reason with the poor, confused frenchie... |
| Posted by: mojo 2008-07-17 10:03 |
| #1 You will keep voting until you get it right, serfs! |
| Posted by: DarthVader 2008-07-17 09:30 |