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| Video - Obama Proposes Formation Of Civilian Army Equal In Size To U.S. Military |
| 2008-07-17 |
| (via Stuck on Stupid) |
| Posted by:Anonymoose |
| #27 |
| Posted by: 3dc 2008-07-17 22:20 |
| #26 Are theye going to salute obammy with the right arm straight out forward and raised above their heads? |
| Posted by: Hellfish 2008-07-17 21:53 |
| #25 an SS anti-tank company held off two Russian mechanized armies for two weeks Two mechanized Soviet armies with a combined armor strength of 600 tanks, plus something on the order of 5,000 rifleman ( not to mention dozens of tubes of field artillery and rocket launchers, mortars, etc ), against 4 AT guns? I won't ask for a link to describe such a fantastic feat of arms, but I will suggest that perhaps the size of opposing forces are in error? The SS from an operational and strategic level were the best soldiers ever fielded in WWII, but they also accounted for the highest casualties because of the lack of trained and experienced NCOs. IOWs they were a disaster tactically. Their officers were often old Imperial army officers who knew a thing or two about combat, but the SS took the highest casualties in the early going because of the lack of trained NCOs, which you can account to poor small unit tactics. Once they got past that little "sarge sez we shouldn't be doing this" refrain, the SS were awesome combatants |
| Posted by: badanov 2008-07-17 21:41 |
| #24 As a reminder, ALL of the most oppressive totalitarian regimes were leftist, socialist. Hitler and the National Socialist Party Stalin and the Commmunist Party to name a few. To me this conjures up a number of names: OVRA NKVD KGB Gestapo Stasi ISI The further left someone goes the less tolerant of opposing ideas and more dictatorial they become. This generation of Dems..Pelosi, Reid, et.al., are the most dangerous group of politicians we have had since the "Know Nothing" party. The final and most troubling to me personally tidbit of this little outburst from Obama is that the text of his speech on his website was Redacted to eliminate the reference to the civilian army. Talk about obscuring facts...this beats ANYTHING I ever saw out of slick Willie. Gentlemen, this guy scares the living crap out of me, it has nothing to do with the color of his skin, it has everything to do with the ideas that keep coming out of his mouth. |
| Posted by: James Carville 2008-07-17 21:39 |
| #23 Having some experience as a mess officer, I am concerned about the sustainment and FEEDING of such an army. Oh, that's right Obama EBT Cards. Er, oh, I got it. |
| Posted by: Besoeker 2008-07-17 21:38 |
| #22 Sign me up FOTS. |
| Posted by: Hellfish 2008-07-17 20:00 |
| #21 Hitler expanded the SS, originally a small bodyguard, as a counter to the Wehrmacht Actually, they were expanded to counter the SA. |
| Posted by: Deacon Blues 2008-07-17 19:39 |
| #20 Citizen Army? Don't we have such an army already and don't we call it government bureaucracy? I don't think we can afford BO and his big government programs. Such programs mean more taxes. Plenty more taxes. |
| Posted by: JohnQC 2008-07-17 18:45 |
| #19 Maybe he can call it the American Protective League. |
| Posted by: Pappy 2008-07-17 18:25 |
| #18 Whattaya' bet that within months, if not weeks, of its inception this "Citizen's Army" will possess nothing but loyal Democrats and will institute a sort of "political reliability" test for entrants? Yeah, it's a political commissariat in the making. If this joker actually gets in and starts this bullshit it will be the first step towards a new civil war in this country. Loyal Americans of both parties and all stripes will band together in our own militias to put a stop to the destruction of our country. |
| Posted by: FOTSGreg 2008-07-17 17:42 |
| #17 Thank you for the added info, Moose!! The minute I saw this article, I immediately thought about the SA. Same 'concept', relatively the same purpose, with the same "uneducated, low order street thugs". (Ima thinking that BO would welcome this opportunity for his Chicago (and other inner-city) 'reformed' street-gang constituents as a way to keep them 'occupied'.) Kind of like the CCC for bad guys. The educated and purpose-driven would still enter the regular armed forces as they wouldn't want to be caught anywhere the likes of the folks this group would be composed of. |
| Posted by: Mullah Richard 2008-07-17 17:32 |
| #16 Mullah Richard: Actually, the SS were two very different organizations. The average education in the Waffen (or combat) SS was a Master's degree, and in the early part of their existence, they were intended to be a military elite not under General Staff command, but fighting alongside the Wehrmacht. In combat, they wore the distinctive "asphalt soldier" uniform. The other SS, responsible for the vast majority of crimes, was the General SS, many of whom were uneducated, low order street thugs like the SA. While also run by the Finance Ministry, they were who managed and guarded concentration camps, organized into second echelon 'einsatz gruppen', who would slaughter civilians after an aread had been captured, and other such offenses. The Waffen SS fought the Soviet Army with absolutely no quarter, in one case, an SS anti-tank company held off two Russian mechanized armies for two weeks. If captured, Waffen SS routinely had shell casings pounded into their kneecaps before being killed. At the end of the war, the US made no distinction between Waffen and General SS, and would hang either if caught, on the nearest light pole. However, entire battalions evaded through US lines to get to French controlled Germany, where they were re-uniformed as Foreign Legion and sent to Indochina to fight the communists, often under their same officers. |
| Posted by: Anonymoose 2008-07-17 17:12 |
| #15 I didn't see any of this on the cover of the New Yorker. It must be some VRWC smear. You sure you can't photoshop the movement of lips and have different words come out? |
| Posted by: Jack is Back! 2008-07-17 17:09 |
| #14 How about deploying said "army" to secure the damned borders? |
| Posted by: OldSpook 2008-07-17 17:05 |
| #13 Obama is for gun control. No one should own guns. Unless you are a member of the Obama "Civilian Army". We have a military. We have police, we have Sherrifs departments, now what is this "Citizen Army" supposed to do again? |
| Posted by: From Dallas 2008-07-17 16:20 |
| #12 Isn't that exactly how Hitler's SS came to be? This guy is REALLY starting to creep me out. |
| Posted by: bigjim-ky 2008-07-17 16:08 |
| #11 Pineapple face in Panama had a similar organization....as does Mugabe with his "veterans"... |
| Posted by: borgboy 2008-07-17 15:33 |
| #10 'Brown Shirts' were originally the Sturm Abteilung (SA - which by 1934 had grown to 4,500,000 men) led by the socialist Ernst Roehm. Interesting how some ideas never change and the possible analogy here. The Schutzstaffel (SS) were a smaller group originally, but much nastier. They purged the SA leadership on July 13, 1934 (Night of the Long Knives) and became Hitler's instrument of internal control. I don't think that BO is thinking an 'AmeriCorps' for this, although that's how it will be presented. |
| Posted by: Mullah Richard 2008-07-17 15:11 |
| #9 One good thing is that he can't appoint "officers" to lead his army without congressional approval. Commissions are issued by Congress, not the President. He can try, but I don't think any budget would be forthcoming. |
| Posted by: crosspatch 2008-07-17 15:03 |
| #8 Didn't Hugo Chavez just do this very same thing in Venezuela? Che Obama is going to ruin this country if he gets his hands on things. |
| Posted by: crosspatch 2008-07-17 15:02 |
| #7 Possibly modeled after the Citizens Power Councils of Venezuela and Nicaragua, or the Committees for the Defense of the Revolution of Cuba, or maybe even the Committee for Public Safety of the French Revolution. Or maybe somebody's just typing this stuff up and he has no clue what he's reading. |
| Posted by: DoDo 2008-07-17 14:57 |
| #6 But they will have cool brown shirts and have slogans like: "Work shall set you free!" "Strength through Joy!" "Change Damnitall, CHANGE!!!" |
| Posted by: DarthVader 2008-07-17 14:49 |
| #5 Or his socialist bud Hugo. Hitler expanded the SS, originally a small bodyguard, as a counter to the Wehrmacht. It was rewarded for its political reliability with the expansion to many division and priority in equipment. |
| Posted by: Procopius2k 2008-07-17 14:48 |
| #4 The Barak militia. Styled after the Janjaweed in the Sudan. |
| Posted by: Elminesh5511 2008-07-17 14:29 |
| #3 Sounds like the Gestapo Or KGB, or Stasi, or Securitate, or Sluzba Bezpieczenstwa, or Khmer Rouge, or Al-Amn al-Khas, or..... |
| Posted by: Mullah Richard 2008-07-17 14:22 |
| #2 Hummmm... stasi. |
| Posted by: anonymous5089 2008-07-17 14:20 |
| #1 We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives weÂ’ve set. WeÂ’ve got to have a civilian national security force thatÂ’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded. Sounds like the Gestapo. Who's gonna run it, Barry? Farrakhan? |
| Posted by: tu3031 2008-07-17 14:07 |