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Home Front: Politix
Biden's mouth leaves Obamabiden ticket a banquet of words to eat
2008-08-24
The fun thing about an Obama-Biden ticket is that the McCain campaign can point to a new awkward comment by Joe Biden — either on the importance of experience, in praise of McCain, or in support of invading Iraq — that contradicts the stands and qualities of the Democratic nominee for every day from now until Election Day.

On McCain:
Biden, on a post-debate appearance on MSNBC, October 30, 2007: “The only guy on the other side who’s qualified is John McCain.”

Biden appearing on The Daily Show, August 2, 2005: “John McCain is a personal friend, a great friend, and I would be honored to run with or against John McCain, because I think the country would be better off, be well off no matter who...”

On Meet the Press, November 27, 2005: “I’ve been calling for more troops for over two years, along with John McCain and others subsequent to my saying that.”

On Obama:
Reacting to an Obama speech on counterterrorism, August 1, 2007: “‘Look, the truth is the four major things he called for, well, hell that’s what I called for,’ Biden said today on MSNBC’s Hardball, echoing comments he made earlier in the day at an event promoting his book at the National Press Club. Biden added, ‘I’m glad he’s talking about these things.’”

Also that day, the Biden campaign issued a release that began, “The Biden for President Campaign today congratulated Sen. Barack Obama for arriving at a number of Sen. Biden’s long-held views on combating al Qaeda in Afghanistan and Pakistan.” That release mocked Obama for asking about the “stunning level of mercury in fish” and asked about a proposal for the U.S. adopt a ban on mercury sales abroad at a Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearing.

Assessing Obama’s Iraq plan on September 13, 2007: “My impression is [Obama] thinks that if we leave, somehow the Iraqis are going to have an epiphany” of peaceful coexistence among warring sects. “I’ve seen zero evidence of that.”

Speaking to the New York Observer: Biden was equally skeptical — albeit in a slightly more backhanded way — about Mr. Obama. “I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy,” he said. “I mean, that’s a storybook, man.”

Also from that Observer interview: “But — and the ‘but’ was clearly inevitable — he doubts whether American voters are going to elect ‘a one-term, a guy who has served for four years in the Senate,’ and added: ‘I don’t recall hearing a word from Barack about a plan or a tactic.’”

Around that time, Biden in an interview with the Huffington Post, he assessed Obama and Hillary Clinton: “The more people learn about them (Obama and Hillary) and how they handle the pressure, the more their support will evaporate.”

December 11, 2007: “If Iowans believe campaign funds and celebrity will fix the debacle in Iraq, put the economy on track, and provide health care and education for America’s children, they should support another candidate,” said Biden for President Campaign Manager Luis Navarro. “But I’m confident that Iowans know what I know: our problems will require experience and leadership from Day One. Empty slogans will be no match for proven action on caucus night.”

Also that night, Biden said in a campaign ad, “When this campaign is over, political slogans like ‘experience’ and ‘change’ will mean absolutely nothing. The next president has to act.”

September 26, 2007: Biden for President Campaign Manager Luis Navarro said, “Sen. Obama said he would do everything possible to end the war in Iraq and emphasized the need for a political solution yet he failed to show up to vote for Sen. Biden’s critical amendment to provide a political solution in Iraq.

December 26, 2006: “Frankly, I think I’m more qualified than other candidates, and the issues facing the American public are all in my wheelbarrow.”

On Iraq:
Biden on Meet the Press in 2002, discussing Saddam Hussein: “He’s a long term threat and a short term threat to our national security… “We have no choice but to eliminate the threat. This is a guy who is an extreme danger to the world.”

Biden on Meet the Press in 2002: “Saddam must be dislodged from his weapons or dislodged from power.”

Biden on Meet the Press in 2007, on Hussein’s WMDs: “Well, the point is, it turned out they didn’t, but everyone in the world thought he had them. The weapons inspectors said he had them. He catalogued — they catalogued them. This was not some, some Cheney, you know, pipe dream. This was, in fact, catalogued.”

Biden, on Obama’s Iraq plan in August 2007: “I don’t want [my son] going [to Iraq],” Delaware Sen. Joe Biden said from the campaign trail Wednesday, according to a report on Radio Iowa. “But I tell you what, I don’t want my grandson or my granddaughters going back in 15 years and so how we leave makes a big difference.” Biden criticized Democratic rivals such as Sens. Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama who have voted against Iraq funding bills to try to pressure President Bush to end the war. “There’s no political point worth my son’s life,” Biden said, according to Radio Iowa. “There’s no political point worth anybody’s life out there. None.”

Biden on Meet the Press, April 29, 2007: “The threat [Saddam Hussein] presented was that, if Saddam was left unfettered, which I said during that period, for the next five years with sanctions lifted and billions of dollars into his coffers, then I believed he had the ability to acquire a tactical nuclear weapon — not by building it, by purchasing it. I also believed he was a threat in that he was — every single solitary U.N. resolution which he agreed to abide by, which was the equivalent of a peace agreement at the United Nations, after he got out of — after we kicked him out of Kuwait, he was violating. Now, the rules of the road either mean something or they don’t. The international community says “We’re going to enforce the sanctions we placed” or not. And what was the international community doing? The international community was weakening. They were pulling away.”

Biden to the Brookings Institution in 2005: “We can call it quits and withdraw from Iraq. I think that would be a gigantic mistake. Or we can set a deadline for pulling out, which I fear will only encourage our enemies to wait us out — equally a mistake.”

Analyzing the surge on Meet the Press, September 9, 2007: “I mean, the truth of the matter is that, that the — America’s — this administration’s policy and the surge are a failure, and that the surge, which was supposed to stop sectarian violence and — long enough to give political reconciliation, there’s been no political reconciliation... The reality is that, although there has been some mild progress on the security front, there is, in fact, no, no real security in Baghdad and/or in Anbar province, where I was, dealing with the most serious problem, sectarian violence. Sectarian violence is as strong and as solid and as serious a problem as it was before the surge started.”

Biden in October of 2002: “We must be clear with the American people that we are committing to Iraq for the long haul; not just the day after, but the decade after.”

On Meet the Press, January 7, 2007, assessing the proposal of a surge of troops to Iraq: “If he surges another 20, 30, or whatever number he’s going to, into Baghdad, it’ll be a tragic mistake, in my view, but, as a practical matter, there’s no way to say, ‘Mr. President, stop.’”

On Meet the Press, November 27, 2005: “Unless we fundamentally change the rotation dates and fundamentally change how many members of the National Guard we’re calling up, it’ll be virtually impossible to maintain 150,000 folks this year.” (The number of troops in Iraq peaked at 162,000 in August 2007, during the surge.)


Posted by:GolfBravoUSMC

#15  Biden is a gift that just can't stop giving. The man is a mental midget (I doubt his IQ is higher than mine - nothing he's said or done shows it).

I'm not too well versed on TCP/IP except as a user, but if you want to talk SCSI...
Posted by: Old Patriot   2008-08-24 18:00  

#14  mystery comment block....

/under High analysis ~oo~
Posted by: Red Dawg   2008-08-24 17:16  

#13  test
Posted by: Red Dawg   2008-08-24 17:06  

#12  I try not to be connected to Ted Stevens at all, Frank. LOL

Besides, aren't intertubes what you float down rivers on?
Posted by: lotp   2008-08-24 15:59  

#11  are these internets you speak of connected to Senator Ted Stevens' Intertubes (which keep getting clogged up, preventing delivery of his email)?
Posted by: Frank G   2008-08-24 15:42  

#10  We still own the modest house Mr. Lotp's parents build right after WWII further north in the east Bay area. We plan to move back there when we retire in a decade or so.

I fell in love with the land and the sea in northern CA when I first visited there in '73. We lived in Silicon Valley from '78 through the '83, getting out just before the huge building boom there. Lived on the west side of LA from '84-90 which wasn't nearly so lovely although being right on the bike path to the ocean was nice ....

Mr. Lotp's parents are buried in the military cemetary in the central Valley - another peaceful, fertile and lovely place.
Posted by: lotp   2008-08-24 15:36  

#9  Thank You lotp, for the validation part, It breaks my heart too..

The High quality top soil, sun and water resources there make for Ideal farming/growing country 365 days a year.. Even without any work the land and country is lush there..

I could wax on and on... but Im glad you were able to see part of the beginning before some of the developement.

>:)
Posted by: Red Dawg   2008-08-24 15:27  

#8  
I don't think G.W. meant ARPA, INTERNET, INTERNET IP6


Of course he didn't, silly newbie.  He meant the public Internet, the NIPRNET, the SIPRNET and others.  
Posted by: lotp   2008-08-24 15:16  

#7  
I worked in Silicon Valley when 237 had stop lights and was lined with orchards.  Broke my heart when they tore down those trees and substituted 1 and 2-story buildings with huge parking lots to avoid the more expensive earthquake measures required in buildings of 3+ stories.


Mr. Lotp, a Bay area native, used to say they should just pave over the whole lower end of the Bay and let people drive without lanes etc.
Posted by: lotp   2008-08-24 15:13  

#6  ..and wait till Shipman drops a few hints about yrlo.jp.y.ooyguufrgirycyf.l!

~:)
Posted by: Red Dawg   2008-08-24 14:24  

#5  Plz PLEASE PLZ
Both of youse go to your rooms for talking High FalutinÂ’ Computerise.

AND No Desserts for a week either...

Of Course I respectfully recognize that Fred our Wise founder plus and over half of our esteemed membership are Bit & Byte Geniuses, but....

I swear by my Analogue Arse that I shall ever remain an 'puter Ignoramus if for no other reason than all of Santa Clara Co, San Mateo Co, San Jose Cos used to be the most wonderful fertile Farm country in the USA. Fruit Trees and truck Farms Galore [Grand-Parents Mom's side]

/Ima Luddite
Posted by: Red Dawg   2008-08-24 14:18  

#4  How ya like those apples?!

Posted by: Pliny Sleash8027   2008-08-24 13:02  

#3  LOL

Do you mean you were one of first to send data over TCP. BIG WOW! I hope you aspire to more in life!

I'd have more respect for you if you worked on UDP which would be just little bit more work or invented something instead of claiming some authority on the subject!

And who cares if someone knows the OSI layer, even my mom who's not even a network engineer knows about OSI/TCP/UDP and about PRIVATE net works.

LOL I don't think G.W. meant ARPA, INTERNET, INTERNET IP6!

You're just appologizing for Dubya! It is what it is!
Posted by: Pliny Sleash8027   2008-08-24 12:44  

#2  Which one of the internets?

There actually are several, including multiple ones restricted to DOD and the intel community.

Or perhaps you didn't know that the TCP/IP protocol standards were developed for DOD and only replaced the OSI stack and the commercial X.25 packet switched data services offered by General Electric for general use after DOD funded a TCP/IP reference implementation at UC Berkeley (BSD Unix 2.4 IIRC).

What's that? You didn't know? You should if you repeat mindless snark about them.

And yes - I implemented one of the first TCP/IP stacks in Silicon Valley around that time, along with X.25 compliant protocol handlers for some major corporations migrating off of IBM's proprietary SNA comms architecture.

If you're gonna snark the snark, be sure you can back it up.
Posted by: lotp   2008-08-24 11:54  

#1  Â“John McCain is a personal friend, a great friend, and I would be honored to run with or against John McCain, because I think the country would be better off, be well off no matter who...” - meaning better of than with G.W?

McCain still beats Biden on gaffes by a mile, but nobody tops Bush. lol

Check the internets.
Posted by: Pliny Sleash8027   2008-08-24 11:47  

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