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| Fatima Ali: It Will Be War if McCain Wins |
| 2008-09-03 |
| Do people like this really think blood will flow from just one side? War ain't "busting a cap in yo ass." Hat tip from Roger, the real King of France From TFA: If McCain wins, look for a full-fledged race and class war, fueled by a deflated and depressed country, soaring crime, homelessness - and hopelessness! |
| Posted by:badanov |
| #62 Ammo up everyone, ammo up. |
| Posted by: Bob 2008-09-03 23:58 |
| #61 "Then you must have found this discussion actually quite comforting, Lonzo" Just the opposite. It's actually quite disheartening, for someone who'd rather be called a stooge of the US, than a "friend" of Russia (for example). Looking forward to the debates...Biden vs. Palin. |
| Posted by: Lonzo 2008-09-03 23:38 |
| #60 I got the impression that it was YOU who is being threatening towards the left. Did you read the initial article, troll? Go away, chewtoy. Take your idiocy elsewhere. |
| Posted by: Jolutch Mussolini7800 2008-09-03 23:38 |
| #59 When I spoke of "both ways" I was alluding, as I suspect Lonzo knows, to the fact that after Iraq we will not again commit massive numbers of troops, treasure and energy on a country that covertly aids insurrection and attacks on our homeland. Instead, such countries will simply find that what they encourage here will erupt there, without warning and without mercy. |
| Posted by: lotp 2008-09-03 23:28 |
| #58 The reaction here against Lefties has more to do with the threats of a race war that are coming from a lefty. I've never heard anyone on the right threaten a race war without being mocked and shouted down as a nut. On the left such comments are not shouted down, leaving the impression that some believe them. That is a huge difference. |
| Posted by: rjschwarz 2008-09-03 23:19 |
| #57 Then you must have found this discussion actually quite comforting, Lonzo. Please, if it comes up in conversations around you, encourage the idea that attempting to support either side in a theoretical American civil war would be highly unwise. Thank you! :-) |
| Posted by: trailing wife 2008-09-03 23:18 |
| #56 "But you do understand, I hope, that that cuts both ways ...." I understand completely. That's why I hope that cooler heads prevail. "The lefties threaten such behavior at their quite probably fatal peril." I got the impression that it was YOU who is being threatening towards the left. "You lefties..." My support for McCain dates back to around the time of the Esquire article about him in 2006, when everyone else basically counted him out. I watched Palin speak today and was pleasantly surprised. She was confident and level-headed. I MUST be a leftist. |
| Posted by: Lonzo 2008-09-03 23:14 |
| #55 Click on this link, Lonzo for a more detailed discussion about an American insurgency. |
| Posted by: badanov 2008-09-03 23:13 |
| #54 10% or so of African-Americans. PIMF! |
| Posted by: trailing wife 2008-09-03 23:12 |
| #53 As for race and class wars, that is a figment the Marxist intelligencia and that possibly 10% or African-Americans who actually believe Black Liberation Theology. Most poor people in this country will not be so within a decade, many who are 4th or 5th generation from that poverty find themselves back there again. |
| Posted by: trailing wife 2008-09-03 23:11 |
| #52 Again, use Russia as an example. Russia does not have the logistic capability to conquer Grenada at this point if the US doesn't allow them to. Logistics require a massive amount of transport planes and ships. They could not directly influence anything going on in the US militarially short of a nuke strike. And there is no race war in the US despite what you might want to believe. Most crime in the US is black on black. That's not a race war, that's criminals fighting for turf. |
| Posted by: rjschwarz 2008-09-03 23:05 |
| #51 There won't be open civil war, Lonzo. The Left is mostly talk, and almost all of them are afraid of guns. The Center and the Right are not afraid of guns. Inner City gangbangers are not going to do much when their food and water are cut off. Terrorists? That's been and is being tried since 9/11, and they have not been successful since then. Yes, there are a lot of scenarios that are quite worrisome, but you'll note that nothing has actually been brought to fruition since 9/11. A lot of very smart men and women have been working very hard to make sure that continues to be so. Do you honestly think it will not be noticed, and traced, if some idiotic country decides to foster terror training or supply of, say, the ELF or ALF groups to expand beyond burning down ski lodges to, say, spreading disease or poisoning the water? |
| Posted by: trailing wife 2008-09-03 23:02 |
| #50 Why do I keep imagining this thread as something from mid-season-3 Babylon 5? "Do not get delusions of grandeur, puny Americans! YOU will not survive them!" |
| Posted by: Abdominal Snowman 2008-09-03 23:00 |
| #49 For instance, where would your military stand? Which side? There's where you show you're a complete tool, 'Zo. If there was ANY doubt about how our military feels, why would the Dems be so anxious to make sure their absentee ballots weren't counted in the 2000 election? The U.S. military, as an institution, stands for performance, accountability, thoroughly responsible behavior, and fairness. Their motivation truly is duty, honor, country. They DON'T like the garbage that the left has been slinging at this country for fifty years now. They particularly dislike the fact that the lefties were willing to go so far as sedition and actual treason in order to insure their defeat in places like Vietnam and Iraq. The U.S. military, as well as the vast majority of American police, will be with the Right in the event of any civil war. The lefties threaten such behavior at their quite probably fatal peril. You lefties think that conservatives will always be held in check by their own beliefs in restraint and the law. Those gloves CAN come off and when they do, there's going to be hell to pay for the left. |
| Posted by: Jolutch Mussolini7800 2008-09-03 22:58 |
| #48 Lonzo, I work with our military daily. I assure you I'm not the only one who has a good read on the dangers. But you do understand, I hope, that that cuts both ways .... |
| Posted by: lotp 2008-09-03 22:49 |
| #47 Maybe China wasn't such a good example...but Russia... |
| Posted by: Lonzo 2008-09-03 22:41 |
| #46 So, is that what you are saying, Lonzo? Do clarify yourself, please. A prolonged civil conflict, left vs. right, will attract international attention from people you don't like. People who have a vested interest in seeing the US go down in flames, if only for economic reasons alone. I have no idea what else you're insinuating with your question. I'm not threatening anyone. I'm stating something that seems obvious to me, and should be obvious to you as well: a civil war in your country is not in your best interests because the outcome is not all that certain. You don't live in a bubble. Granted, there are a lot of "what ifs", but I doubt such a conflict would be a simple matter like you seem to believe. For instance, where would your military stand? Which side? Why do I get the feeling that only lotp understood the dangers involved. The rest of you are off on tangents that have nothing to do with my assertion. IRA, NATO, Mexico, Arclight...who cares. If you throw tomahawks at Russia, China....might as well pack your bags to Mars 'cause this planet will be toast. |
| Posted by: Lonzo 2008-09-03 22:38 |
| #45 One, tho, would encourage it. |
| Posted by: lotp 2008-09-03 22:26 |
| #44 Race and class wars are occuring right now in this country and will continue so, regardless whether McCain or Obama will be the next president. |
| Posted by: General Comment 2008-09-03 22:20 |
| #43 The only two countries that share a land boundary with the US are Canada and Mexico. The last time Mexico screwed up and attacked the US, we took California, New Mexico, Arizona, and admitted Texas into the Union. We did have effective control of Mexico all the way down to Mexico City but gave everything south of the Rio Grande back to the Mexicans. We won't be as nice if there is a next time. Canada will stay out of any civil war simply because they cannot defeat the National Guard units of either Texas or California, and would not want the undue attention of the rest of the US. Also, Tomahawk cruise missiles would make short order of the infrastructure of any country found to be supplying the leftists in any new American civil war -- not counting what B-52 ARCLIGHT strikes would do to the offending countries. Civil wars tend to be ugly and all restraints get tossed aside, including concerns about civilian deaths among those instigating the war from the outside. Addressing just Fatima - does she realize 3 facts that argue against her threat? 1) most of her "side" resides in major urban areas; 2) there is at best 1 week of food in said urban areas; 3) power and water for said urban areas come from outside their boundaries and are easily disrupted. Anyone want to be in Philly when the power, water, and sewers have been off for a week? Cities are relatively easy to kill with modern infantry tactics and weapons. |
| Posted by: Shieldwolf 2008-09-03 22:11 |
| #42 "designed to create chaos and fear" There'll be chaos and fear all right, lotp, if the lefties start something. Their own. |
| Posted by: Barbara Skolaut 2008-09-03 22:08 |
| #41 At a guess, Lonzo is suggesting covert aid to a domestic insurgency. 'deniable', deadly, designed to create chaos and fear. |
| Posted by: lotp 2008-09-03 22:06 |
| #40 The other consideration about international intervention in a US civil war is the time frame. Any such war would be over very rapidly. |
| Posted by: rjschwarz 2008-09-03 22:02 |
| #39 dissed sexually by Fems, |
| Posted by: Frank G 2008-09-03 22:02 |
| #38 "I noticed you intently ignored my assertion that your opposition would get international help in case of civil conflict. ... There's people having wet dreams about that very scenario." Foreign and/or domestic lefty clowns dreaming about other countries sending military aid to American lefties when they try to start a You're probably not aware of this, Lonzo, but wet dreams aren't actual sex.* There's no "foreign military help" coming for the leftards either. *Though it's probably the only sex you get in mama's basement.... |
| Posted by: Barbara Skolaut 2008-09-03 21:57 |
| #37 Or are you threatening something like the IRA here, Lonzo? Because if you are, there are a great many people who would not only find that highly unamusing, but have the skills and the tools to make their lack of amusement palpable and permanent. To both those acting here and those supporting them elsewhere. So, is that what you are saying, Lonzo? Do clarify yourself, please. |
| Posted by: trailing wife 2008-09-03 21:55 |
| #36 Here's the answer to your stupid assumption, Lonzo. The Congress had the entire Japanese military on the other side of Assam. If they did provide any help to Congress, something which undoubtedly would have been in their interest, it certainly didn't make any difference. The British quickly crushed Congress and kept them in detention for two years. They could have done so indefinitely. One of the more interesting things about that era is the bitterness in Indian intellectual circles about how easy it was for the British to suppress Congress and how quiet India was after it was done. If the Jap military at war couldn't help a domestic insurgency, I don't suspect your "every conceivable corner" delusion will prove to be much of a problem either. It will be the same thing here. I'm glad you're not a U.S. citizen, BTW. Keep your lefty idiocy wherever you are. |
| Posted by: Jolutch Mussolini7800 2008-09-03 21:55 |
| #35 *GASPS* Oh no...will they pass a dreaded UN resolution?! How can we ever stand it!!! Bah, anyone trying to help them will ensure that the only 'aid' they receive comes in the form of us laughing at them. Of course, if they go for the super deluxe aid package, they can receive extended and prolonged cruise missile and air attacks. |
| Posted by: Silentbrick 2008-09-03 21:50 |
| #34 I noticed you intently ignored my assertion that your opposition would get international help in case of civil conflict. Please, Mario, don't start singing in Italian. |
| Posted by: Nimble Spemble 2008-09-03 21:46 |
| #33 Lonzo, there is not a nation in the world that has the logistics to do jack in the United States without US assistance. Most Nato members require US logistics to field a small number of troops in Afghanistan. That is why people are laughing. |
| Posted by: rjschwarz 2008-09-03 21:46 |
| #32 Mussolini, I'm not a US citizen, and I'm neither left nor right, I'm what anyone else would call a normal person. I noticed you intently ignored my assertion that your opposition would get international help in case of civil conflict. I see that Barbara noticed it, but she's laughing. What's so funny about it? There's people having wet dreams about that very scenario. There's a saying for your type of thinking..."I'm gonna teach that whore a lesson by cutting off my dick!" |
| Posted by: Lonzo 2008-09-03 21:37 |
| #31 "For those of you wishing, hoping, dreaming, for a civil war, consider that your opponents will get help from every conceivable corner of the planet" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Thanks, troll, that's the best laugh I've had all day. "You've turned your country into something that closely resembles a police state." Can't do anything but spout DNC talking points, eh? If that Say, .... |
| Posted by: Barbara Skolaut 2008-09-03 21:27 |
| #30 It won't be a civil war, Lonzo. It will be a crushing of the obscene, America-hating left. They'll be rounded up and put in preventive detention. Those that resist will die. Want a perfect example of how it will be done? Check out the way the British subdued Congress during the "Quit India" movement in 1942. You'll be smashed in exactly the same way. You lefties have been allowed to game the system for too long. When it comes to real fighting, it won't take much killing to make you fold like a cheap suit. Witness Kent State. You bastards deeply underestimate the power of American nationalism. Those of us on the right who have seen how badly you lefties hate our country are slowly but surely coming to the realization that you've got to be stopped before you destroy it. Make no mistake about it, we can and will stop you. The difference is that now the Right is beginning to think stopping you "by any means necessary" is acceptable. That's your death warrant, Lonzo. I'd start thinking about moving elsewhere if I were you. |
| Posted by: Jolutch Mussolini7800 2008-09-03 21:27 |
| #29 You've turned your country into something that closely resembles a police state. Are you truly that ill-informed and naive? Good grief. |
| Posted by: lotp 2008-09-03 21:26 |
| #28 Ladies (Who all terrify me, naturally) and Gentleman, it appears we have a chew toy! Go get him! I fail to see how WE have been running things, as congress hasn't been enacting policies that -I- support. And it's the lefties calling for silencing of dissent by any means necessary, so no, I see no reason why WE shouldn't be getting pissed off and tired of liberal anti-human crap. |
| Posted by: Silentbrick 2008-09-03 21:23 |
| #27 But it's YOU who was running the joint up until recently. I can see why the LEFT would lose patience, but YOU??? You've turned your country into something that closely resembles a police state. I think the liberals have a much bigger complaint here. As far as the bleach...how's that Obama's fault? Those were anarchist wack jobs. Presumably the guy was arrested and will be dealt with in accordance with the law. |
| Posted by: Lonzo 2008-09-03 21:17 |
| #26 As is probably obvious I was responding to Lonzo. |
| Posted by: lotp 2008-09-03 21:03 |
| #25 Has the left considered that at some point those farther to the right will finally lose patience? I'm pretty much a moderate on most issues, defense aside. But *I* am close to that point myself. The left has grown quite used to eroding civility and order, to demanding that no limits be placed on its actions and no accountability be demanded of it. A similar critique might be made of the countries you list. Do you really want to see people in the US promote insurgency in other countries covertly or openly? Because this could spiral downward in ALL of the developed world, not just here. Yesterday bleach was sprayed in the eyes of an 80 year old delegate on the way to the convention. I have yet to hear a single liberal leader speak out about that. Who exactly is responsible for a coming clash, if one does come? |
| Posted by: lotp 2008-09-03 21:02 |
| #24 See comment #22 |
| Posted by: European Conservative 2008-09-03 21:00 |
| #23 "I'm sorry we don't have a chew toy for you today. They're in retraining. I hope Fatima will do." Now hold on...I'm still here lurking. For those of you wishing, hoping, dreaming, for a civil war, consider that your opponents will get help from every conceivable corner of the planet...Russia, China, Mid-East, Antarctica and whomever else you manage to piss off in the mean time. Osama will have been successful beyond his wildest imaginations. Is this what you really want? Is it not worth it meeting your opponents (liberals) somewhere in the middle to work things out? Things can't be that far gone. |
| Posted by: Lonzo 2008-09-03 20:54 |
| #22 Apology accepted, supervisor. We know you don't have much to work with, and you're doing the best you can under the circumstances, but could you please send us a better class of trolls in the future? We at Rantburg don't like engaging in a battle of wits with the unarmed opponents you've been sending - it isn't sporting and it's just too boring. |
| Posted by: Barbara Skolaut 2008-09-03 20:31 |
| #21 I'm sorry we don't have a chew toy for you today. They're in retraining. I hope Fatima will do. |
| Posted by: Your supervisor 2008-09-03 17:02 |
| #20 Dear Fatima: You'll lose. Badly. |
| Posted by: mojo 2008-09-03 16:20 |
| #19 Meanwhile, our economy continues to crumble, while crime, homelessness and poverty continue to soar. I had no idea. Where are you getting your stats? The whole world is in a downturn right now. Besides, capitalism is cyclical in nature. Expect this, no matter who is Prez. The only way to fool people into thinking the economy is better than it really is would be to stop spending on the military and pour that money into other things like social programs, and just let the next Prez from the other party deal with it. But nobody's that stoopid. |
| Posted by: gorb 2008-09-03 15:48 |
| #18 She writes like somebody in a high school journalism class...except that most high school journalism teachers would have made sure that particular sentence never made it into the high school newspaper. Kinda makes you wonder what her editor was thinking. Actually, it kinda borders on incitement. |
| Posted by: Threreger de Medici3268 2008-09-03 15:17 |
| #17 So blacks are gonna rush out of their urban strongholds and attack the blue-states liberal whiteys nearby? Or are they gonna go on a road trip to the well armed red state areas? I'm not sure Fatima Ali has really thought this through. |
| Posted by: rjschwarz 2008-09-03 14:15 |
| #16 Did Ms. Ali write anything regarding Michael Steele losing the Senate run in Maryland, or Ken Blackwell losing the Governors contest in Ohio? Nope. She's a Liberal Hack. |
| Posted by: Muggsy Glink 2008-09-03 14:10 |
| #15 When the civil war the demonrats starts comes, it'll be Vlad the Impaler time. I have no sympathy, compassion, understanding or pity for anyone on the left anymore. They have totally destroyed those parts of me. It's a sad thing, but the blame falls squarely on them. |
| Posted by: Silentbrick 2008-09-03 13:18 |
| #14 He opposes John McCain because, he says, America can't afford another four years of failed GOP policies that have extended $200 billion in tax cuts to big corporations but not to the nation's 100 million families. I began to notice about five years ago that my taxes were going down, but my salary was not. I guess that makes me a 'big corporation'? With Mrs. Bobby as the CEO, of course. |
| Posted by: Bobby 2008-09-03 12:56 |
| #13 I've been concerned that what she threatens will very likely come to pass in some areas. That is why I have been upgrading my tactical weapons. Today I paid for and ordered a Beretta Cx4 Storm in .40 S&W. And two weeks from now I'll get the Px4 Storm in the same caliber. The two weapons use the same magazine. Sweet. I'd rather be prepared and not have to use them, than need them and not have them. |
| Posted by: Bigfoot Glese7407 2008-09-03 12:52 |
| #12 The first dozen comments were very good. I wonder what the other 780 looked like. I suspect some contentious comments followed. |
| Posted by: tipover 2008-09-03 11:40 |
| #11 And I expect him to keep his word. Ah. I think I've found the hole in her argument. And it's rather large. |
| Posted by: tu3031 2008-09-03 11:39 |
| #10 At least the first twenty or so comments are spent taking her to the woodshed. Does anyone get the feeling that suddenly the masses are sick and tired of Obama BS and aren't taking it any more? |
| Posted by: Sgt. Mom 2008-09-03 11:34 |
| #9 This is the kind of shit they pulled in LA after Rodney King verdict, until they went into Koreatown and found out what a few brave folks who could shoot straight could do. Didn't need cops, National Guard, or Rev Jesse(what ? he wasn't there?), just a little lead rain to bring a some clarity to these thugs skulls. |
| Posted by: Woozle Elmeter 2700 2008-09-03 11:30 |
| #8 As a representative of only 13% of the country, she should rethink that race war option. In other words, she's saying vote for the black guy or we'll commit violent acts. Like Big Unavise2667 said, Bring it bitch. I bust heads, like my father before me. |
| Posted by: bigjim-ky 2008-09-03 10:30 |
| #7 I'm sure it's "above her pay grade" to figure out why 10 million illegals choose the US to hang out in rather than Haiti [given all the oppression and poverty and hopelessness here]. |
| Posted by: Procopius2k 2008-09-03 09:52 |
| #6 Okay here's a question to all of the blacks who feel as Fatima feels. If we give you free one-way passage to any other Country would you take it? Which countries would accept you? |
| Posted by: AlanC 2008-09-03 09:33 |
| #5 And its gotta stop. One way or another. They want to bring warfare, so be it. A warning to Ms Ali and others like her: remember which side is composed of street thugs, and which side has always been "God Guts and Guns" and lots of former military. |
| Posted by: OldSpook 2008-09-03 09:31 |
| #4 "If McCain wins, look for a full-fledged race and class war" Hardly need to "look for it." It's already phueching HERE! Thanks to federally mandated Affirmative Action, democrat give-away and wealth redistro, gummit mandeated free hospital care, sky rocketing minority crime, illeagal immigration, gummit & Fannie Mae...everyone deserves to be a $ 500k home owner, we've been LIVING it for decades now. |
| Posted by: Besoeker 2008-09-03 09:27 |
| #3 Bring it, bitch. We got the guns. |
| Posted by: Big Unavise2667 2008-09-03 09:20 |
| #2 There's always the "Hollyweird Star Celebrity" emigration option [The "I'm a blowhard in real life, not a political savvy student of the Constitution, but it's all image to me" program]. |
| Posted by: Procopius2k 2008-09-03 08:57 |
| #1 But maybe this time around the side represented by McCain will realise it's a war to the knife. |
| Posted by: g(r)omgoru 2008-09-03 08:49 |