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Cleopatra, no Egyptian beauty?
2008-09-21
A study has found that the last Egyptian pharaoh, Cleopatra VII, was of Macedonian stock and contrary to popular belief not a beauty.
I wonder how much that cost
Oh goodness, they're just now figuring out that Cleopatra was Macedonian? Of course she was, she was a Ptolemy!
When Alexander the Great, who conquered Egypt, passed away in 323 BCE, the country was passed to a Macedonian nobleman named Ptolemy, who became the founder of a dynasty famous for intermarriages.
We knew the rule of Egypt passed to Ptolemy after Alexander. That's probably why they called the dynasty "the Ptolemies," in fact. The dynasty itself wasn't all that out of the ordinary in Egypt for its intermarriages, since that was the way Egyptian royal families kept the throne within the family. Succession passed through the female line, and the most successful brother got to marry one or two or more of his sisters. That accounts for the prevalence of hemophilia and buck teeth and other odd characteristics among Egyptian royals. The custom was frowned on for the common folk, but in colloquial Egyptian language husbands and wives referred to each other as "my brother" and "my sister." How much did the study cost, again? Can I get in on it for a few bucks?
According to the Encyclopedia Britannica 'the Macedonian-Greek character of the monarchy was vigorously preserved' and 'Cleopatra VII was of Macedonian descent and had no Egyptian blood'.
The study relied on the Encyclopedia Britannica as a primary source? Which high school conducted the study? If brother and sister and sometimes father and daughter were in the habit of marrying each other, then it's likely none of them were of actual Egyptian blood. On the other hand, there were lotsa dancing girls and the occasional concubine to be had, and the occasional daughter would be sent to the royal household to cement this or that deal, so I'd guess -- even without rooting through the Ptolomy family bible or Book of the Dead or whatever they used -- that some few of the Ptolomies did manage to mix the royal blood with some of the locals.
The first Ptolemaic pharaoh to learn the Egyptian language, Cleopatra, was also the last pharaoh of Egypt, after whom the country became a Roman province.
She was the heiress, but having hooked up with Caesar and produced a single male offstpring (Caesarian) and then with Marc Anthony, introducing an asp to her bosom before any results could show up, there wasn't a good candidate to take over the throne -- I believe she was 18 when she met Julius. She also made the mistake of siding with the losing side at the Battle of Actium, hence the asp, so her kingdom kinda sorta became spoils of war.
Despite the general belief that Cleopatra was a stunning beauty, the Greek essayist Plutarch describes her as 'by no means flawless or even remarkable' and writes 'her beauty was not in and for itself incomparable'.
Other writers are quite complimentary of her nose and her hair, which if I remember correctly was red.
The coins remained from her time show her as having a fat neck, a hooked nose, long ears and a prominent chin, ABC reported.
The art of coinage portraiture wasn't up to our modern standards way back then, so it's kind of an open question.
The queen's intelligence however is an undeniable fact. She was highly educated, could speak nine languages, had a compelling charisma and had a powerful regal presence from an early age.
She was also good looking enough to seduce Julius on the first try, and he was not only no dummy but could pretty much have his pick of the girlies.
Though he pretty much nailed any woman he could ...
The French leader Napoleon Bonaparte looted the mummy case of Cleopatra VII, which was found by workers in the 1940s, and emptied it into the sewers.
Posted by:Fred

#13  "*rolls eyes* The Egyptian Book of the Dead was not a record of those who died, but a guidebook to instruct individuals on the path from this world to the Judgement Seat..."

Seems there's always somebody who's going to be offended by something.
Posted by: Milton Fandango   2008-09-21 22:49  

#12  Plutarch commented on her remarkable voice, as well as her ability to communicate with ambassadors in their own language.

Brains can generate a lot of sex appeal.
Posted by: mom    2008-09-21 17:57  

#11  Different "Book of the Dead."

Real title the Egyptians used:

_The Book of Going Forth By Day_.
Posted by: Abdominal Snowman   2008-09-21 14:43  

#10  Book of the Dead? Had they invented the chainsaw too?
Posted by: Eric Jablow   2008-09-21 13:42  

#9  complimentary of her nose and her hair

As long as they weren't talking about nosehair...
Posted by: OldSpook   2008-09-21 12:45  

#8  She had a great asp
Posted by: .5MT   2008-09-21 09:39  

#7  she was beautiful. Looked just like Elizabeth Taylor in her prime
Posted by: Frank G   2008-09-21 08:41  

#6  I believe the Book of the Dead reference was meant to be humorous. At least I found it amusing.
Posted by: Excalibur   2008-09-21 08:29  

#5  *rolls eyes* The Egyptian Book of the Dead was not a record of those who died, but a guidebook to instruct individuals on the path from this world to the Judgement Seat, and what to expect based on the verdict. It was believed that the soul that learned stuff in this life would be able to apply that knowledge in the journey to the next.

My on-line nym, Ptah, was selected when I first visited another website where some of the members also selected Egyptian-god names as nyms. I selected it as a means of reminding people of the very poor way we treat those dieties who do us well: Ptah was the Architect of the World and the primal creator. When man was created, it was Ptah who initially set up the Egyptian worship system and devised the ceremony that, after death, separated the soul from the corpse and initiated its journey to the Judgement Seat and the Afterlife. As a "reward" for creating everything and sparing the souls of men from the horror of being trapped within a rotting corpse, he was relegated to being a Janitor worshipped in Memphis in a catch-all temple while other egyptian gods were made the bosses, ran things, got cities named after them, and got all the sacrifices made in elaborate dedicated temples. Kinda like the way the engineers in a company who actually get the shit done are treated while the managers bask in the praise, get the credit, and get all the goodies and fat bonuses.

One interesting thing about the Book of the Dead: the reader was supposed to memorize spells that would transform the soul into various creatures and entities to help them overcome obstacles and defeat hostiles during various parts of the Journey. There was only one spell that transformed the soul into one of the Egyptian gods.

That god was Ptah.

Figures. Live in the world he made worshipping every god except him, start the Journey using a ceremony devised by him, and when your soul is in deep shit and you need some real firepower to get your soulish butt out of that sling, you run, not walk, to the guy who built everything.

Sound familiar? I knew it would...
Posted by: Ptah   2008-09-21 08:06  

#4  Persians still nursing that 2500 year old slap down by the Greeks.     LOL - yup.

The Iranians have learned that the West has this powerful activity called 'science' so they decided to get some of their own. Not clear on the concepts yet, though.
Posted by: lotp   2008-09-21 07:34  

#3  Persians still nursing that 2500 year old slap down by the Greeks.

ABC = Arab Broadcasting Corp? I always suspected it.

The French leader Napoleon Bonaparte looted the mummy case of Cleopatra VII, which was found by workers in the 1940s, and emptied it into the sewers.
Iranians discover time travel? Perhaps they will locate the madhi next.
Posted by: ed   2008-09-21 07:06  

#2  Also she could be a beaty at fourteen, when Caesra met her and no longer ten or twenty years later when she killed herself. Roymas have access to far too many delicacies for theior own good.
Posted by: JFM   2008-09-21 05:55  

#1  There's a lot more to sex appeal than strictly physical beauty. And even there, tastes vary....
Posted by: Scooter McGruder   2008-09-21 01:00  

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