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Iraq
US dropped nuclear bomb near Basra in 1991, claims veteran
2008-10-08
Rome, 8 Oct. (AKI) - An American veteran of the first Gulf War in Iraq claims that the United States dropped a five-kilotonne nuclear bomb in 1991 in a deserted area outside the southern city of Basra on the Iranian border.
"They did! I seen it!"
The claim by US war veteran Jim Brown was made during an interview included in a 30-minute current affairs report to be broadcast by Italian state news channel RaiNews24 on Thursday. Brown told the Italian news channel that the bombing took place on the last day of the war in Iraq on 27 February 1991.
"But nobuddy noticed, 'cuz Bush had it hushed up."
Hiroshima was about 20 kT as I recall ...
RaiNews24 claims to have conducted its own inquiry and found that a seismic event took place on that day equal to a five-kilotonne blast. The network cited the online archives of the International Seismological Center, a non-profit UK-based organisation, as confirmation of its research.

The Italian journalist in charge of the inquiry Maurizio Torrealta told Adnkronos International (AKI) that there is no definitive proof of the nuclear blast and that it should not be taken as a fact. Instead he asked the international community to further investigate the claims by Brown. "We are asking journalists and the international community for help, in order to clarify this," said Torrealta.
Riiiight. Make an absurd claim, fail to back it up, and then demand that the 'international community' investigate. We've encountered that modus operandi before ...
"Good evening, Mr. and Mrs. International Community and all the ships at sea! This is Intrepid Reporter Geraldo Rivera and I'm standing at the site of the five kiloton bomb that was dropped on an empty patch of land near Basra in 1991. This is a Geiger counter, and this is where Jimmy Hoffa was supposedly buried, according to U.S. war veteran Jim Brown, by minions of Al Capone, and then his corpse nuclear bombed to obliterate the evidence..."
However, in the documentary, which was shown to the media on Wednesday, Torrealta said that one of the possible reasons that the US may have dropped the bomb, was in retribution for the launch of Scud missiles on the US Dhahran military base in Saudi Arabia on 25 February. Twenty-eight American soldiers died in the attack.

The US veteran, Jim Brown was not present during the alleged launch of the bomb and it is not clear how he obtained the information.
Made it up out of whole cloth?
My guess is that he squatted, grunted, and caught it with both hands, if y'know whudda mean.
RaiNews24 said that 45-year-old Brown was originally a fourth-level engineer in the US Army and was demoted to third-level after health problems, following a vaccination against chemical weapons. The injection deteriorated his health and he was eventually discharged from the army with honour.

He is now director of the GulfWatch I.N.S. organisation. Its website claims to have 350 supporters who are or were involved in coalition intelligence during the 1991 Gulf War. "These people have agreed to work together to make sure that as much information about the war as possible is released about the activities prior to, during and after the war that have affected the health of potentially hundreds of thousands of soldiers, and their spouses and children," said a statement on the website.

The documentary included an interview with an Iraqi doctor, Jawad al-Ali, who told RaiNews24 that before the beginning of the first Gulf War in 1989 there were 32 cases of tumours, while in 2002 the number had risen to 600 in the Basra area. Al-Ali also told RaiNews24 that tumours that used to affect older citizens had started to impact younger children. He then showed alleged photos of the tumours in the documentary.

During the RaiNews24 report, Torrealta said that the US State Department had rejected Brown's claims and said only 'conventional' weapons had been used during the first Gulf War.
Posted by:GolfBravoUSMC

#18  shhhh... Bush (and McCain) drop atomic bombs whenever they feel like it, killing millions, maybe even billions of innocent children. But their minions cover it all up. They probably will start dropping them on Iran any day now.
Posted by: Betty   2008-10-08 23:57  

#17  ...and then they turned me into a newt!
Posted by: SteveS   2008-10-08 23:30  

#16  Lone ranger: not retard, please. The developmentally disabled have more sense, more good nature, and generally better character.
Posted by: mom    2008-10-08 22:09  

#15  Jim Brown - still active after the Dirty Dozen? I think not
Posted by: Frank G   2008-10-08 21:17  

#14  Riiiigggghhttttt........ Does this guy understand about Nuclear Release Authority?

'Like - Nuclear Release Authority is going to be given to hit a high-value....... "deserted area"? WTF?

This guy makes "troofers" loom rational.

What next? Soldier sexually molesting fire hydrants? Torturing waste baskets? Executing palm trees?

The guy's a fourth-level retard.
Posted by: Lone Ranger   2008-10-08 21:00  

#13  Check the fonts, Dan. The fonts!
Posted by: anymouse   2008-10-08 19:32  

#12  AFAIK there is no "Technical Specialist 4th class" rank.

SOME of the people with the rank of E-4 carry the title "Specialist," but it's not a 4th class tech specialist.

I suggest this link:

[http://www.army.mil/symbols/Enlisteddescriptions.html].
Posted by: Tranquil Mechanical Yeti   2008-10-08 19:15  

#11  I've obtained memos that show that it happened..
Posted by: D. Rather   2008-10-08 19:02  

#10  "The US veteran, Jim Brown was not present during the alleged launch of the bomb and it is not clear how he obtained the information."

It's clear to me. He pulled it out of his ass.

My only question is who's paying him to lie like a rug his motivation.
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut   2008-10-08 18:36  

#9  I think he was a PFC.

Pretty Fucking Clueless.
Posted by: DarthVader   2008-10-08 17:44  

#8  Perhaps it is your rank of Technical Specialist 4th Class for the engineer?
Posted by: Lagom   2008-10-08 17:27  

#7  rjschwarz: You are probably spot on. When the Brits, I think also that they were SAS, spotted the detonation at an ammo dump or motor park, they thought it was a nuclear blast. And they said so on the radio.

And the war very quickly came to a screeching halt.

Nobody did anything until it was figured out, because as flash traffic, it has priority over all other radio communications. Everybody else shuts up like hell.

The US military and government had to really jump through the hoops to prove it to everybody at a diplomatic and military level as well. This meant the entire UNSC, NATO, Israel, and just about every other nation with a telephone.

We probably even contacted Saddam to assure him it was NOT a nuke. And probably had the Russians in on the conference call to back us up.

This happened as well during WWII, because Americans referred to gasoline as "gas" in the clear radio transmissions, and the Germans freaked out. This is why to this day the Army calls it MOGAS.
Posted by: Anonymoose   2008-10-08 17:13  

#6  My son-in-law was with the 24th ID during the first Gulf war, and has some interesting stories, but nothing about nukes. A FAE bomb, or even an old 25,000-pound monster dropped from a C-130, could cause a "5kt seismic event". The other problem is the size of the weapon. Most US weapons are at least 20kt in size, since anything less than that can be accomplished with "clean" conventional weapons - it just takes a few more of them.

The US veteran, Jim Brown was not present during the alleged launch of the bomb and it is not clear how he obtained the information.

It's been 18 years, and this is the first we've heard of this. We're also hearing from someone who's passing along second-hand information. I don't find much credence in this "testimony".
Posted by: Old Patriot   2008-10-08 16:30  

#5  Look for radiation traces, even today. That would clarify this instantly, unless, of course, Saddam had a nuke facility in the area.

That, or he spotted one of our experimental non-radioactive nuclear field tests. Don't tell anyone, but the secret ingredient is powdered water, instead of heavy water.
Posted by: Halliburton - Mysterious Conspiracy Division   2008-10-08 16:22  

#4  Nonsense. Nuking a city is not something that just slips under the radar. Their were NGOs and inspection teams all over Iraq during the 90s and someone would have noticed the crater and radiation.

IN a previous age this guy would have been laughed off by even our enemies. It just goes to show how logic and the burden of proof are no longer required for many.
Posted by: rjschwarz   2008-10-08 15:46  

#3  I recall an article written by a British serviceman - maybe SAS, but not certain. The article described their witnessing the detonation of a BLU-82 (volkswagen sized FAE) from the Kafj area. When the device went off, the quote was "The blokes have nuked Kuwait".
Posted by: Rob06   2008-10-08 15:42  

#2  only 'conventional' weapons had been used

Unless you count the 'chemical weapon' of all the smoke and unburned/partially burned hydrocarbon compounds from all those oil wells - I can certainly believe that sustained exposure to that stuff could cause tumors and other health problems.
Posted by: Glenmore   2008-10-08 15:36  

#1  RaiNews24 said that 45-year-old Brown was originally a fourth-level engineer in the US Army and was demoted to third-level after health problems, following a vaccination against chemical weapons.

Can someone translate that into real ranks in English? I didn't know the Army had "third level" or "fourth level" engineers.
Posted by: Tranquil Mechanical Yeti   2008-10-08 15:32  

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