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Cutting off healthy limbs OK, says Australian Dr.
2008-11-07
TO most people, the thought of amputating a perfectly healthy limb is unimaginable.

But for at least three Australians, possibly dozens more, cutting off their leg has felt perfectly normal. These so-called "amputee wannabes" have a very rare condition in which they feel one of their limbs is not truly their own, and they become obsessed with cutting it off.

And people suffering from the bizarre body image disorder should be able to opt for amputation, a Sydney psychiatrist says. Christopher Ryan, a psychiatrist at the University of Sydney, says there is a good argument for allowing patients with body integrity identity disorder (BIID) to have their unwanted limb removed.

"I am not saying we should unthinkingly cut off people's legs," Dr Ryan said. "I realise that the idea strikes almost everyone as lunatic when they first hear it. However, there are a small number of people who see themselves, and have always seen themselves, as amputees," he said.

"They are often miserable their whole lives because of their 'extra limb', and we know that at least some of them feel much better if it is removed."

Dr Ryan has examined the ethics of the issue in the international philosophy journal Neuroethics and says doctors have a moral duty to amputate for the health and safety of the patient.

He said one 30-year-old patient of his lived his whole life feeling he was truly an amputee, but was so ashamed of how he felt he did not tell anyone. "Eventually he took the only step he thought he had open to him and placed his leg in a bucket of dry ice until it died and had to be removed," Dr Ryan said. "Now, a year later, he is living happily as an amputee and getting on with his life."

The paper said the operations should be likened to plastic surgery, with elective amputation offered to BIID sufferers only. "Unless these patients know that doctors will take their concerns seriously, and at least consider their requests, more people will risk their lives trying to remove their own limbs," he said.

The disorder hit news headlines in 2000 when it was revealed that a surgeon in Scotland had amputated a healthy leg from two patients with the disorder. At the time, appalled Scottish politicians called the procedure "obscene" and tried to ban such operations.
Posted by:Oztralian

#12  These people would give an arm and a leg to feel normal.
Posted by: Deacon Blues   2008-11-07 16:59  

#11  Dang! Commodore Frank beat me to the snarky comment! Foiled again....
Posted by: Alaska Paul   2008-11-07 16:40  

#10  This happened a decade or more ago down in South America. A new surgeon at an insane asylum where there was four people with this rare condition. They were basket cases, totally unable to function, and any number of therapies and drugs had been tried on them without success.

After extensive discussion and argument lasting many months, he removed a healthy leg from each of them.

Two completely normalized and were happy, and were returned to their families. Two wanted additional amputations, but one of the two felt he could live without it, so after extended observation, he was allowed to leave as well. The fourth's condition was improved far beyond what it had been.

It created a huge controversy in that country, as well.

Importantly, such victims often have to be confined, or they will repeatedly attempt to amputate their own, or each others limbs, or most commonly among men, their testicles.

Finally, because of the Internet, people with this condition are learning about each other and networking. This reinforces and aggravates their desire for amputation. Some castraters especially have removed the testicles of many men.

Three of them were arrested in NC just two years ago.
Posted by: Anonymoose   2008-11-07 15:23  

#9  And we all thought BDS was bad.
Posted by: tu3031   2008-11-07 13:36  

#8  I'd go for the brain stem first
Posted by: Angoger Black9540   2008-11-07 13:34  

#7  I'll become a cyborg.
Posted by: DarthVader   2008-11-07 13:09  

#6  start with the neck, k?
Posted by: Frank G   2008-11-07 12:31  

#5  In the SF movie "Aeon Flux" you could get "Body modifiation, one character had her feet replaced with a second set of hands, after getting over the "Yuck" factor, it's not really a bad idea.
Posted by: Redneck Jim   2008-11-07 11:54  

#4  A form of Munchausen Syndrome?
Posted by: swksvolFF   2008-11-07 11:24  

#3  You could try to cure the disorder if you were any kind of psychiatrist at all.
I assume these people would be crippled and need benefits for the rest of their lives in any case.
Posted by: bigjim-ky   2008-11-07 11:14  

#2  Maybe someone can explain to me why this condition is not simply a more extreme version of the condition that causes homosexuality and trans-gendered?

Aren't they all variations on "body integrity identity disorder"?
Posted by: AlanC   2008-11-07 09:49  

#1  why not get two of them together and have them swap?
Posted by: ed   2008-11-07 09:17  

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