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Hamas remains defiant despite pounding
2009-01-13
Israeli forces continued to bombard the homes of Hamas leaders on Monday as the war in the Gaza Strip entered its 17th day. So far Israel says that at least 300 militants are among the more than 900 Palestinians killed.

But Hamas insists that it has not been significantly hurt – tactically speaking – by the onslaught. Government offices and tunnels have been destroyed. Its leaders are pinned down, unable to move freely or show their faces in public or even communicate on cellphones that can be tracked by the Israeli army. Israel recently killed Amir Mansi, commander of Hamas's Gaza rocket division, and its stream of Qassams has dropped 50 percent since the assault began. But it is still able to launch rockets at Israel.
Looks like yet another stunningly lopsided Arab victory.
Has Israel decimated the Hamas leadership – and eroded its support among Gazans? Are its senior political chiefs based in Syria calling the shots and prolonging a battle that war-weary Gazans would increasingly like to see ended?
Try taking the guns away from the brave men wearing the black ski-masks and ask the question again.
Inside Gaza, relief is needed immediately; rebuilding could take five years. Hamas in Gaza sent a three-man delegation to Cairo to work on reaching a deal. But Hamas leaders from abroad have taken a harder line, indicating that it would rather fight until the last Gazan man than agree to a cease-fire that doesn't meet its demands.

Khaled Mashaal, the Syria-based political leader of Hamas and the man who holds more sway than any of the Hamas leadership in Gaza, says that Hamas will only agree to a truce if all border crossings are open. He rejects any new measures to prevent the smuggling of additional weapons into Gaza.

Mr. Mashaal said Monday that Hamas won't accept "any discussion" about restricting its possession of weapons, adding, "No one has the right to limit the right of our people to look for a rifle to defend ourselves."
Gee. I wonder what Palestinian offensive operations would look like.
Israel, meanwhile, says that Hamas has been seriously damaged and may be close to agreeing to the Egyptian-brokered deal. It told reporters that Hamas's military wing is in disarray and falling apart.

"Whether Hamas is weakened or not, and certainly, it must have been weakened structurally very seriously in the last few weeks, Hamas is saying in terms of its spirit, it is not going to be destroyed. And the indication of that for them is the continued launch of missiles," says Maha Azzam, an expert on Hamas and Political Islam at London's Chatham House.
That's right. You can't destroy their spirit! But you can separate it from their bodies.
"It doesn't mean that Hamas as an organization wouldn't be ready to come to some kind of cease-fire agreement, so it can survive as an organization," Ms. Azzam says. But the heavy losses Hamas has sustained, she says, makes it look more heroic in the eyes of many across the Muslim world. "Although continued bombardment of civilians poses a problem of Hamas, they can say as Hamas, we're never going to succumb."
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In an interview in Damascus, Mr. Mashaal's deputy, Musa Abu Marzook, said that Israel's war in Gaza has only served to increase Hamas's popularity, not detract from it. And he said that Israel's real goal was not stopping rocket fire, but ending Hamas rule in Gaza. [Editor's note: The original version misstated comments by Musa Abu Marzook regarding the Palestinian Fatah Party.]

"The real reason for Israel's aggression is to change Hamas's government in the Gaza Strip. They have been thinking about this since Hamas won the elections [in January 2006]," Abu Marzook says. "They failed to lead the people in an uprising against Hamas in the Gaza Strip with the economic embargo. They tried to push Fatah to stand and fight Hamas, but we defeated them in the Gaza Strip. So Israel took action themselves."

Abu Marzook, interviewed last week, said that Hamas had no intention of halting its rocket fire from Gaza. He views these rockets – 14 of which hit Israel on Monday – as just "sending a message" to the Jewish state.
And the Jewish state is just sending their reply.
"We are only talking about stopping the aggression from the Israelis against the civilian population in the Gaza Strip. But we are sending a message [by firing rockets]: 'We will not surrender.' We have to fight the Israelis and we will win this battle," he says. "We know we are going to lose a lot of people from our side, but we are going to win, inshallah [God willing]."
Many more victories like this and there won't be anyone left to do any fighting.
"Perhaps it has had quite a beating, but in terms of support in Gaza, the West Bank, and elsewhere, the support is increasing because Hamas is seen as taking on a somewhat heroic role," says Azzam.
That's why they need to be crushed. Arabs have a problem picking the right role models.
Israel began the offensive on Dec. 27, following Hamas's resumption of rocket attacks when a six-month truce ran out on Dec. 19. Since then Hamas can't meet in what were government ministries and other Hamas headquarters, because most such buildings have been destroyed. Hamas leaders who have survived move secretly and have occasional meetings in different locations, but sometimes go days without holding strategy sessions.
We don't need no steenking strategy sessions! We got JIHAAAAAD! And besides, we're pussies.
Palestinian reporters are afraid to get too close to Hamas leaders for an interview because, as one put it, "They are wanted men. To stand next to them for five minutes is dangerous." Foreign journalists have not been allowed into Gaza for more than two months.
Oh, come on. You'll be a martyr and get your 72 raisins. What could be better than that? Or are you chicken?
Even the rank-and-file policemen, who 18 months ago were put on the streets by Hamas to convey a sense of law and order, are no longer anywhere to be seen. Those who are out wear plainclothes in order to draw more civilian casualties make it more difficult for the Israeli army to target them – and ultimately, for anyone to distinguish between civilian and military casualties.
Posted by:gorb

#11  "Dumber'n a sack o' hammers..."
Posted by: mojo   2009-01-13 23:01  

#10  I am watching a Gaza webcam right now from Gaza city. Nothing to be heard but chickens crowing, dogs barking and the morning call to prayer. I heard a little automatic weapons fire about a half hour ago, but nothing at all recently. Just doesn't seem like much of a "pounding" going on there. The chickens crowing are the loudest thing heard.
Posted by: crosspatch   2009-01-13 22:38  

#9  Until Hamas BEGS to surrender UNCONDITIONALLY, they need to keep getting pounded - hard. No compromises.
Posted by: Scooter McGruder   2009-01-13 22:17  

#8  Khaled Mashaal, the Syria-based political leader of Hamas and the man who holds more sway than any of the Hamas leadership in Gaza, says that Hamas will only agree to a truce if all border crossings are open.

In enterprise of martial kind,
When there was any fighting,
He led his regiment from behind,
He found it less exciting.

But when away his regiment ran,
His place was at the fore-o,
That celebrated, cultivated, underated nobleman,
The Duke of Plaza-toro.

- "The Gondoliers"
Posted by: W. S. Gilbert   2009-01-13 21:55  

#7  "Hamas is saying in terms of its spirit, it is not going to be destroyed." says Maha Azzam, an expert on Hamas and Political Islam at London's Chatham House.

Azzam sounds like a pro Hamas expert on Hamas.
Posted by: mhw   2009-01-13 21:44  

#6  Hamas remains defiant stupid despite pounding

There, fixed that for ya.

Mike
Posted by: Mike Kozlowski   2009-01-13 21:43  

#5  Also note Hamas' key demand of 'opening the border crossings'. While the MSM obfuscate this point and imply its a reference to the Israeli crossings. It's not. The demand is for the Egyptian border crossings to be opened.

Hamas aint stupid. They know the Israeli crossings will be useless for getting in arms, the key to Hamas' survival in Gaza.

Egypt aint budging, which doesn't surprise me in the least, because Hamas is an exustential threat to the Egyptian regime. What I don't understand is why Turkey is getting its knickers in a twist over opening the border. Maybe its some perceived role as the defender of Islam in the old Ottoman Empire.
Posted by: phil_b   2009-01-13 21:26  

#4  Looks to me like Hamas is pressing on toward unconditional defeat. They keep firing rockets, which gives Israel cover for it's continuing offensive. Egypt gets more and more p'd off with Hamas.

And the endgame of the Egyptian border effectively sealed from weapons smuggling gets closer. When that happens it's game over for Hamas. No justifying their existence by 'resistance', and Fatah will sooner rather than later outgun them and roll them up from the bases that will be handed to Fatah along the Egyptian Gaza border.
Posted by: phil_b   2009-01-13 21:05  

#3  Put another way, the objective doesn't appear to be the destruction of Hamas (which means Israel will be doing this again someday) but rather a different arrangement of the deck chairs where Israel would be protected from rocket fire by promises and people who will "tell on them" if Hamas fires a rocket.

Seems all rather pointless as Hamas will never stop fighting Israel as long as it exists.
Posted by: crosspatch   2009-01-13 20:36  

#2  I am not getting the impression that Hamas is taking all that much of a "pounding" of late. Judging from what I am reading from the IDF an Israelis live blogging events, it seems that they are getting hit with a series of bee stings rather than hammer blows from Israel.

On the surface it would appear that the political strategy in Gaza is the same as it was in Lebanon in 06. Stay engaged long enough for the international community to broker some kind of truce that puts a third party in place to monitor things. It looks like all this is designed to do is to get external monitors in place and that is about it.

Yes, Hamas has taken some serious hits but Israel does not have appeared to have unleashed a full-on "kick ass and take names" offensive.
Posted by: crosspatch   2009-01-13 20:32  

#1  Hamas remains defiant despite pounding

Time for MORE pounding.
Posted by: DMFD   2009-01-13 19:59  

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