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Afghanistan
In Bleak Afghan Outpost, Troops Slog On
2009-05-14
KORANGAL OUTPOST, Afghanistan -- The helicopters landed in blackness before the moon rose. The infantry company rushed out and through waist-high vegetation and into forests on an Afghan ridge.
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Over the next 40 hours, more than 100 soldiers from the First Battalion, 26th Infantry, swept Sautalu Sar, the mountain where members of the Navy Seals were surrounded in battle in 2005. They were looking for weapons caches and insurgents.

They labored uphill through snow until daybreak, when the company broke into smaller patrols above 9,200 feet. They descended the next night through gullies and shin-deep mud and staggered back to their outpost without having yet slept.

All the while, the insurgents watched. Why fight the Americans when the Americans were ready and strong?

Afghanistan is to be President Obama's war, and the Pentagon is retooling its efforts here in ways it hopes will undermine a sprawling insurgency. But as soldiers on the ground await reinforcements, this American operation showed that an old axiom of guerrilla warfare still applied: Where conventional soldiers mass, insurgents usually disperse.

Even the means were familiar. In the Korangal Valley, the insurgents have spotters on ridges. When the Americans send out a patrol, or launch a helicopter assault, spotters relay word up and down the valley. Then they decide what, if anything, to do.

Near the sweep's end, as the company descended a cliff, a large rock slipped free and began a bouncing descent. Soldiers above warned soldiers below. "Rock!" they shouted. "Rock!"

No use. The chunk of stone, perhaps weighing 70 pounds, spun through the air and slammed into Sgt. Christopher Thompson. It could have killed him, but it struck squarely on his flak jacket, which distributed the impact. Sergeant Thompson was stunned. He drifted in and out of consciousness.

Within 15 minutes he regained his feet. In a half hour he was fording the river with soldiers beside him ensuring that he did not slip and drown. Then he climbed the hill on the far side.

This unglamorous sort of toughness is a common sight. But insurgents display toughness, too, making Korangal Valley an example of what can happen when determined adversaries settle into a competition for a small space.

American soldiers here pass their tours in an incredibly narrow plot: a string of fields, a few hundred houses and the rocky trails that connect them.

If the valley will be won over by fighting, then more troops may tilt the balance. But the Army cannot support more troops here without a road to resupply them, and the insurgents have prevented a road from being built. So the two sides fight as if in another time, with groups of men maneuvering and firing at each other from the same areas each day, gradually thinning each other's ranks.

The morning after the sweep, the soldiers gathered outside. A pair of boots, a helmet and a rifle had been arranged before an American flag. Dog tags hung from the rifle. They bore the name of Pfc. Richard Dewater, 21, who had been killed by a bomb hidden on a trail.

"Tricky," the soldiers called him. He had just celebrated his first wedding anniversary, and hoped to start a family after returning to the United States this summer. Instead the soldiers filed past, in pairs and in threes, to grieve his early return. Many cried.

After the ceremony, the violence resumed. The soldiers detected a Taliban spotter on a ridge, which was pounded with mortars and then white phosphorus rounds from a 155-millimeter howitzer.

What did the insurgents do? When the smoldering subsided, they attacked from exactly the same spot, shelling the outpost with 30-millimeter grenades and putting the soldiers on notice that the last display of firepower had little effect. The Americans escalated. An A-10 aircraft made several gun runs, then dropped a 500-pound bomb.

The valley quieted. Had the insurgents been killed? Probably not, the soldiers said. Another day in the Korangal, with both sides making the point they made during the sweep: Do what you will. We are still here.
Posted by:GolfBravoUSMC

#12  Good point.

Anyway, if you go over to Wikipedia they have multiple articles on WP, including a separate one on its use in Iraq. Also whether it's a war crime or not.

I wouldn't want to be shot at with WP, but I wound't want to be shot at with anything else that comes out of a 155mm gun, especially given the 100m "casualty radius."
Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain   2009-05-14 18:44  

#11  In that case, you're shooting smoke rounds _between_ your positions and the enemy's. And probably closer to your position than theirs.

It depends on the wind direction. You might even shoot it past the enemy if the wind is blowing toward your position from the enemies position.
Posted by: GolfBravoUSMC   2009-05-14 18:41  

#10  Yes, and the pattern in which they present the 'facts' is itself interesting. After all, they repeat "US forces shot white phosphorus at the Taliban _again_ today" (leaving unsaid the "in flagrant violation of various arms control treaties") and sooner or later you wake up and find out that smoke rounds have been outlawed.

Isn't it funny how their 'innocent factual errors' always align precisely with what the enemy propaganda needs them to be?

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From the Wackypedia entry on "White Phosphorus:"

White phosphorus weapons are controversial today because of their potential use against civilians. While the Chemical Weapons Convention does not designate WP as a chemical weapon, various groups consider it to be one. In recent years, the United States, Israel, Sri Lanka and Russia have used white phosphorus in combat.

The United States' use of white phosphorus in Iraq in the Iraq War has resulted in considerable controversy amongst critics of the war. Initial field reports referred to white phosphorus use against insurgents,[3] but its use was officially denied until November 2005,[4] when the Department of Defense admitted[5] to the use of white phosphorus while stating that its use for producing obscuring smoke is legal and does not violate the CWC.[6] A DoD spokesman has also admitted that WP "was used as an incendiary weapon against enemy combatants", though not against civilians.[7] There has also been controversy generated by indiscriminate use of white phosphorous on civilian refugee camps by the Sri Lankan government in 2009.[8]


Of course, there are a couple of logical faults in there. Should WP use be illegal because it can be used against civilians? Well, it could, but so could standard high explosive shells, which if used against civilians would also have much higher lethality.

(Wackypedia seems to acknowledge this: However, white phosphorus has a secondary effect. While much less efficient than ordinary fragmentation effects in causing casualties,...)

It also gives the lethal radius of the more _conventional_ ammo from a 155mm howitzer as being 50m. (More for "casualty radius," which I guess means they'll need medical attention but will live).
Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain   2009-05-14 18:32  

#9  Remember this is a MSM urinalist reporting the "facts"?
Posted by: GolfBravoUSMC   2009-05-14 17:29  

#8  In that case, you're shooting smoke rounds _between_ your positions and the enemy's. And probably closer to your position than theirs.
Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain   2009-05-14 17:22  

#7  "see what you're doing" Sorry about that.

P.S. If you set the fuse wrong and the shell lands amongst the bad guys you can follow the chunks of burnt flesh to find their retreat route. Or just check with the local hospital to see if anyone checked in with acute sunburn holes.
Posted by: GolfBravoUSMC   2009-05-14 17:09  

#6  You shoot smoke rounds when you don't want them to see what your doing. Like maybe evacuating wounded from a hot LZ, repositioning your forces, launching an assault.

It wasn't fair to the Cong hiding what we were up to but we did it anyway.
Posted by: GolfBravoUSMC   2009-05-14 16:58  

#5  So we shot _smoke rounds_ at them? Why, to help cover their withdrawl?
Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain   2009-05-14 16:48  

#4  Do what you will. We are still here.

And the women of Korangal are so thankful.
Posted by: Jack is Back!   2009-05-14 13:35  

#3  Smoke rounds for covering movements.
Posted by: GolfBravoUSMC   2009-05-14 11:34  

#2  I was gonna ask what third-world outfit was either that disconnected or biased and lying but then I noticed it was the NY Times.
Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain   2009-05-14 11:15  

#1  So, GB... do "white phosphorus" rounds even exist for American 155mm artillery, other than illumination rounds?

Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain   2009-05-14 11:14  

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