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Afghanistan
ROE - Marines, who have a reputation as hard chargers, rarely fired back.
2009-07-07
River Liberty was described as an operation. But it had the feel of an invasion. U.S. Marines were moving, as an expeditionary force, into the homeland of their enemy, the Taliban.

At 4:30 a.m. one day last week, the company with whom my writer son, Carlos, and I were embedded, Golf Company, 2/8 Marines, stepped out of the U.S. base at Hassan Abad, in southern Helmand province, and headed south into certain trouble.

The Taliban were determined not to let Golf Company just walk south through the Helmand River Valley unchallenged. Within an hour of the initial push, we saw dirt kick up in front of us, then the crack of automatic weapons fire. We dove for cover in this, the first of eleven ambushes Golf Company encountered during the first two days of the operation.

Remarkably, in the face of the resistance, the Marines, who have a reputation as hard chargers, rarely fired back. They wanted to, but their command had warned the young Marines that even one civilian casualty could negate the No. 1 objective of this operation -- winning the trust and respect of the farmers of the Helmand River Valley.

Also, along our path, the Taliban had set 12 improvised explosive devices -– not on roads, but mostly in the open farm fields in which we walked. Nine were discovered before they could be detonated. Three others exploded as Marine patrols passed. Two Marines suffered concussions. Mark it up to the random chance and luck of the battlefield that no one died.

There was one more enemy out there that the Marines could not push past or kill -- HEAT. The word "hot" doesn't do justice to the temperature. It sucks the life out of a normal person on a normal day. The Marines carrying heavy packs, ammunition, body armor, helmets, food and water are not normal and this was not a normal day. It was war and by the end of each day, it was a victory to just put one foot in front of the other in the difficult terrain.

On a map, walking south through flat farmlands seemed easy. The map, though, doesn't reveal the difficulty in traversing fields criss-crossed with hundreds of irrigation ditches -- some too wide to leap across. Most Marines marched miles in wet boots and socks each day even though one of the world's driest deserts was only a mile away.

On the third day of the operation, we finally reached our objective -- Koshtay, a farming village on the banks of the Helmand River and at the heart of the poppy and opium trade that funds the Taliban. Golf Company expected a tough fight here, but the Taliban either retreated or hid their weapons and melted into the local scenery

So far, the Marines can count the trip south as a success. Now the hard part begins, convincing the Afghans to reject the Taliban and embrace a U.S.-supported Afghan government.

A lot is riding on the young shoulders of U.S. Marines. Young men reputed for their brute force must now display a soft touch.
Posted by:GolfBravoUSMC

#13  And before people get all bent, I was in the Army so there.

I'll bet you were cute as a button when you were retarded, GirlThursday dear. ;-)
Posted by: trailing wife   2009-07-07 22:44  

#12  #7 Yea, like take the Humvee out for reconnaisance, park it, and smoke cigs in place for 3 hours, turn around and come back. Happens.
Posted by GirlThursday


...or get captured by the Saddam's Republican Guard, lol.
Posted by: Besoeker   2009-07-07 18:43  

#11  Here's a CNN headline I just saw:

"Real News: 11 NATO troops killed in 2 days in Afghanistan."
Posted by: Zhang Fei   2009-07-07 18:22  

#10  I wonder if these newfangled rules of engagement are the break the Taliban have been waiting for - they may be an open season permit on Marines (with no bag limit) for the Taliban.
Posted by: Zhang Fei   2009-07-07 18:21  

#9  And let us not forget the spelled backwards "Yes my retarded ass signed up" US ARMY are also bullet catchers for Unc. Sam too often lately for innane reasons. And before people get all bent, I was in the Army so there.
Posted by: GirlThursday   2009-07-07 18:08  

#8  Uncle Sam's Misguided Children took 7 KIA on Monday alone. If casualties continue at this pace, Iraq is going to look like a cakewalk in retrospect.
Posted by: Zhang Fei   2009-07-07 18:02  

#7  Yea, like take the Humvee out for reconnaisance, park it, and smoke cigs in place for 3 hours, turn around and come back. Happens.
Posted by: GirlThursday   2009-07-07 17:57  

#6  Third is that the Marines are crystal clear that the support they get from Washington is minimal, and that the politicians will double cross them in a heartbeat--so no sticking your necks out.

Is that any way to maintain morale. The next thing we know there will be the fraging of superiors who order them to go on senseless, no win missions. Been there, seen that.
Posted by: GolfBravoUSMC   2009-07-07 17:55  

#5  Then why send the Marines? Send in a marching band: The have great uniforms, the locals will like the music and there is little chance they will shoot at the Taliban.
Posted by: airandee   2009-07-07 17:54  

#4  Ironically as heck, I am in favor of the minimal shooting approach at first, but for odd reasons.

First of all is acclimatization. The assumption is that these Marines are "green". They haven't been in country long enough to get used to the place and the people. They cannot assume that everyone with a gun is a bad guy. They also have to get used to the weather.

Second of all, the bad guys know the place. They also know that if they can convince the locals that the "new guys" are nasty or trigger happy, it will be hard as hell to convince them otherwise. The Taliban have made themselves very unpopular, so the Marines want to keep it that way, not have to start from scratch.

Third is that the Marines are crystal clear that the support they get from Washington is minimal, and that the politicians will double cross them in a heartbeat--so no sticking your necks out.
Posted by: Anonymoose   2009-07-07 17:31  

#3  thats not the plan. See Iraq.

Afghanistan is not Iraq.
Posted by: Pappy   2009-07-07 16:16  

#2  "The strategy of "hearts and minds plus" cannot be realistic, turning Afghanistan into a vast and indefinite barracks with hundreds of thousands of western soldiers sitting atop a colonial Babel of administrators and professionals."

thats not the plan. See Iraq. we dont have hundreds of thousands there, and dont intend to. Enough to clear out a province, free the locals from fear of the talibs, and build local administration (with the cooperation of local tribals) to keep the talibs from coming back (and get locals who used to work as talibs to be turned and stay turned)
Posted by: liberal hawk   2009-07-07 16:03  

#1  Bitter Vietnam lessons lost in Afghanistan

"Neither the Pentagon nor the British Ministry of Defence will win Afghanistan through firepower. The strategy of "hearts and minds plus" cannot be realistic, turning Afghanistan into a vast and indefinite barracks with hundreds of thousands of western soldiers sitting atop a colonial Babel of administrators and professionals. It will never be secure. It offers Afghanistan a promise only of relentless war, one that Afghans outside Kabul know that warlords, drug cartels and Taliban sympathisers are winning."

When the locals see the American Infidels appear to be running from the Mighty Taliban they will be convinced about who's winning.
Posted by: GolfBravoUSMC   2009-07-07 13:47  

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