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Climategate: the final nail in the coffin of 'Anthropogenic Global Warming'?
2009-11-25
If you own any shares in alternative energy companies I should start dumping them NOW. The conspiracy behind the Anthropogenic Global Warming myth (aka AGW; aka ManBearPig) has been suddenly, brutally and quite deliciously exposed after a hacker broke into the computers at the University of East Anglia's Climate Research Unit (aka Hadley CRU) and released 61 megabites of confidential files onto the internet.

When you read some of those files -- including 1079 emails and 72 documents -- you realise just why the boffins at Hadley CRU might have preferred to keep them confidential. As Andrew Bolt puts it, this scandal could well be "the greatest in modern science". These alleged emails -- supposedly exchanged by some of the most prominent scientists pushing AGW theory -- suggest:
Conspiracy, collusion in exaggerating warming data, possibly illegal destruction of embarrassing information, organised resistance to disclosure, manipulation of data, private admissions of flaws in their public claims and much more.
One of the alleged emails has a gentle gloat over the death in 2004 of John L Daly (one of the first climate change sceptics, founder of the Still Waiting For Greenhouse site), commenting:
"In an odd way this is cheering news."
But perhaps the most damaging revelations -- the scientific equivalent of the Telegraph's MPs' expenses scandal -- are those concerning the way Warmist scientists may variously have manipulated or suppressed evidence in order to support their cause.
Heh heh. We're always right about this sort of nonsense, since us troglodytes of the right have noses that are better attuned to scams and nonsense than are the sophisticated denizens of the left. Probably comes from having to fight off the televangelists.

You'd think this would be the end of the whole matter, that it'd disappear like a bubble burst, never to be discussed again by those who were taken in. It ain't gonna happen that way: there's going to be denial, there will be calls for the heads and probably the testicles of the people who broke in and made off the the emails, and there's gonna be a whole lot of pretending nothing happened -- just continue on with proposals to tax the entire world to cope with climate change, whether it be Global Warming or Nuclear Winter or Silent Spring or whatever's going to happen in the Fall.
Posted by:Fred

#8  Something like this?


It's ashpalt-concrete but the top coating is very light colored.
Posted by: ed   2009-11-25 23:31  

#7  Don't even try me on this...

Did they use this crap to cover up shoddy worksmanship and ban studded tires where you live, too?
Posted by: gorb   2009-11-25 22:59  

#6  #3 - that's nonsense - inadequate pavement structural section for the loaded condition (i.e.: buses and trucks) plus poor compaction is the issue. Don't even try me on this...
Posted by: Frank G   2009-11-25 20:35  

#5  thanks ed

my head was thinking 'longer than visible' while my hand was typing

I'm bad like that
Posted by: lord garth   2009-11-25 19:16  

#4  I'm starting to think the Sun and the Oceans maybe have a large effect on stuff, altho I haven't ruled out the Tree Jinn Occilation quiet yet.
Posted by: Perry Stanford White   2009-11-25 14:54  

#3  They now sprinkle Concrete dust over the black asphalt, It was found that the sun's heat, combined with the weight of passing traffic would "Sqwoosh" the asphalt and make two "Troughs" where the tires pass, very dangerous, the idea is the asphalt doesn't get so hot, the side effect is less global warming , so its a two-fer.
Posted by: Redneck Jim   2009-11-25 13:12  

#2  there is no doubt that CO2 absorbs energy in the visible spectrum

Actually, CO2 is transparent in the visible spectrum. Oxygen is the greatest contributor in the visible spectrum. It absorbs the longer visible spectra, so the sky is blue. CO2's absorption peaks are at 2.6, 4.3, and 14-16 microns. Not coincidentally, those are at near 100% peaks for the total atmospheric spectra. That's why doubling CO2 does not double heat absorption. The CO2 absorption peaks are already saturated can add little more. The 1.8um peak being the exception and is the greatest warming contribution w/ rising CO2.

Absorption spectra for major natural greenhouse gases in the earth's atmosphere.

I think a greater effect comes from particulate pollution of the atmosphere and albedo changes to the surface from civilization (roads, roofs, esp carbon black based components like soot) that are strong broadband absorbers from the ultraviolet to the long infrared.
Posted by: ed   2009-11-25 11:01  

#1  No it is not the end for the AGW hypothesis.

For one thing, El Nino is strengthening in the Pacific and for the next few months global temps will probably be a bit higher than the long term (15 year) average.

For another thing, even without the CRU 'data', there is no doubt that CO2 absorbs energy in the visible spectrum (as do other gases, e.g., water vapor) and no doubt that greater absorption of energy leads to a higher temperature in the atmosphere as a whole. The details for how all this works out (e.g., whether and how much lower troposphere heating occurs as a result)in time and space are open (or should be) to investigation, debate, etc.
Posted by: lord garth   2009-11-25 10:13  

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