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Europe
Greek Minister Calls Germans Nazis, Germans Say "Raus!"
2010-02-25
Greece has greatly damaged its chances of an EU bail-out by lashing out at Germany over war-time atrocities and accusing Italy of cooking its books to hide public debt.

The escalating dispute came as a general strike in Greece spilled over into violent clashes between hooded youths and riot police in Athens. Chants of "burn the banks" are a foretaste of tensions once austerity measures bite in earnest later this year.

Public and private sector unions joined forces to bring the country to a standstill for 24 hours, halting flights, trains, and shipping, and shutting schools and hospitals.

Theodoros Pangalos, deputy prime minister, said Germany had no right to reproach Greece for anything after it devastated the country under the Nazi occupation, which left 300,000 dead. "They took away the gold that was in the Bank of Greece, and they never gave it back. They shouldn't complain so much about stealing and not being very specific about economic dealings," he told the BBC.

Twisting the knife further, he said the current crop of EU leaders were of "very poor quality" and had botched this month's crisis summit in Brussels. "The people who are managing the fortunes of Europe were not up to the task," he said.

One banker said the situation was surreal. "How can they call the Germans incompetent Nazis and still expect a bail-out?"

Mr Panagalos has gone even further than premier George Papandreou, who said Greece had become a "guinea pig" for squabbling eurocracts playing power games.

Athenian rhetoric has confirmed fears in North Europe that the ruling PASOK party is still in denial about the crisis and will not deliver on promises. The insults have caused bitterness in Germany, increasing the possibility that Europe's paymaster will lose patience and leave Greece to its fate after all.

Hans-Werner Sinn, head of Germany's IFO economic institute, said Athens was holding Euroland to ransom, threatening to set off mayhem if there is no bail-out. "Greece should never have entered the euro zone because they did not qualify and they are now blackmailing other European countries via the euro. It's not for the EU to help Greece. We have an institution that is very experienced in bailing-out activities: the IMF," he said.

Dr Sinn said Europe should call Greece's bluff. If the euro falls, so much the better. "The euro is overvalued anyway. It is way out of line, and a weaker euro would be quite useful for Europe to stimulate exports."

Otmar Issing, former doyen of the European Central Bank, echoed the view in Germany's Bundestag on Wednesday, warning that a Greek rescue would "open the floodgates" for serial bail-outs and destroy EMU discipline. "The crisis is made in Greece. It is the result of bad policy, not outside forces like an earthquake."

Edgy investors have begun to question whether the EU really does have a support package up its sleeve. Spreads on 10-year Greek bonds over German Bunds rose to 332 basis points.

Greece's problems are mounting by the day. Fitch Ratings downgraded four of the largest Greek banks on Tuesday, fearing a double hit from the EU-imposed fiscal tightening -- 10pc of GDP over three years -- and withdrawal of ECB stimulus. Wealthy Greeks have reportedly shifted large sums to Cyprus, eroding the Greek deposit base.

Investors fear austerity protests could spread in Europe. Portuguese unions have called a general strike for early March. Spanish unions held marches in Madrid and Barcelona on Tuesday over pensions, but turnout was low.

The EU has always found ways to master crises over the last 60 years, and will most likely do so again, but this one feels different to EU veterans. Germany's top court has left doubts about the legality of any bail-out. There is deep resistance in both Germany and Holland to calls for an EU fiscal authority or debt union -- a quantum leap in EU integration.

Such a move would imply an open-ended guarantee for over €3trillion in Club Med debt, and a violation of the political contract behind EMU. Bavarian leader Edmund Stoiber once famously derided warnings that the euro would leave German taxpayers on the hook for foreigners as no more likely than "a famine in Bavaria". Pledges come back to haunt.
Posted by:Grunter

#16  Only one way to find out, lotp.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble   2010-02-25 20:27  

#15  So I'm given to understand, NS. ;-)
Posted by: lotp   2010-02-25 20:23  

#14  All things considered, I'd rather be in Perth.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble   2010-02-25 20:21  

#13  should also recognize that we are years, not decades, away from being in the same situation

The sovereign debt crisis will happen a lot faster than most realize. Initially, it will likely be good for the USA with a flight to the USD. But the US goverment is currently buying 80% of the debt it is issuing. That is, it is only selling 20% of the debt it needs to fund the deficit. That is unsustainable - printing money. And that road leads to hyper-inflation.

Will and when will the sovereign debt crisis reach the USA? Your guess is probably as good as mine, but I'd bet sooner rather than later.
Posted by: phil_b   2010-02-25 19:44  

#12  Does Greece have schools? Don't they teach basic arithmetic?

It's call Progressive Arithmetic. It's the basis of Economic Creationism [where value magically appears out of nothing]. Here's an example.
Posted by: Procopius2k   2010-02-25 19:03  

#11  Greece spent 6.5 billion Euros on the 2004 Olympics (4% of GDP). I'm sure that didn't help.

A good thing that Obumble failed to land the Olympics for Chicago.
Posted by: DMFD   2010-02-25 18:03  

#10  I am as happy to pile on he who shall not be named as anyone here...but I believe he posted here recently that he was just as unimpressed with the performance of the Greek government as any of us.

We (and the Germans, whose wonderful Bismark and Marx got this ball rolling) should also recognize that we are years, not decades, away from being in the same situation. That we are now considering expanding government health care to cover every one while we watch the Greek people and state writhe speaks to the absence of leadership or realism in our ruling class. This will not end well for them or us and schadenfreude is only whistling past the grave yard in this case.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble   2010-02-25 17:36  

#9  Can't be Mr. Katsaris. He only insults Americans.
Posted by: Steve White   2010-02-25 16:52  

#8  The people running the country are clearly not listening to anyone, including their various mothers, priests, or even extraordinarily clever primary school offspring, dogs, cats, chickens, invertebrates or protozoans.

There, fixed it for you TW.
Posted by: AlanC   2010-02-25 15:09  

#7  War! On the European Continent in less than 5 years. We should let them slug it out on their own this time.
Posted by: Secret Asian Man   2010-02-25 14:15  

#6  Is Mr Katsaris advising

That was unnecessary, Bulldog. The people running the country are clearly not listening to anyone, including their various mothers, priests, or even extraordinarily clever primary school offspring.
Posted by: trailing wife   2010-02-25 13:55  

#5  So let me get this straight.

Greece blows all their money on social give-away programs and runs out of money.

Rest of Europe refuses to fork over more cash for the Greek government to give away.

Greeks engage in a general strike that reduces economic activity thereby reducing government revenues even more which makes the problem even worse.

Does Greece have schools? Don't they teach basic arithmetic? If outgo is greater than income, the result is bankruptcy.

The problem is somewhat like a US state going broke and demanding a federal bailout and the other states saying "no".
Posted by: crosspatch   2010-02-25 13:40  

#4  "Greece has greatly damaged its chances of an EU bail-out by lashing out at Germany over war-time atrocities and accusing Italy of cooking its books to hide public debt."

Is Mr Katsaris advising the Greek Government already?
Posted by: Bulldog   2010-02-25 13:13  

#3  Greece could default as early as next week when they will sell 10B in bonds. If bids are too low they may refuse them and they will be out of money to run the government.
Posted by: phil_b   2010-02-25 12:34  

#2  Godwin's Law! Greece loses the argument.
Posted by: gromky   2010-02-25 12:23  

#1  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvqPjAN668U
Posted by: Bright Pebbles   2010-02-25 11:44  

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