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| 2010-04-28 |
| Gentle reminder to Keeney and others: we do not publish articles and comments, most especially opinion articles, on the 'birther' controversy. As far as Rantburg is concerned, Barack Obama is the legally elected 44th President of the United States. Many here have profound concerns and differences as to his character, policies and beliefs. That's fine and each is a fair topic for discussion. But we do not indulge the birther nonsense. Take that elsewhere. This is our official editorial policy. Thank you for your attention. AoS |
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| #14 US Constitution, No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President The natural born requirement is clearly over and above citizenship, and also clearly intended to prevent foreign born presidents. And that as I understand it, is the issue. Not whether he is a citizen. |
| Posted by: phil_b 2010-04-28 23:47 |
| #13 Wow...big brother comes out to bark. Speaking of Big Brother: Oh Noes! More enemies of the people. Via InstaPundit. |
| Posted by: ed 2010-04-28 23:43 |
| #12 I have to disagree about the expat attitude. I grew up mostly overseas with a foreign born mother. Instead of hating America, it brought home how unique and special America is in this world. Obama was poisoned by a hard left (yet upper class) mother and grandparents, but especially by his biological father Frank Marshall Davis who inculcated in Obama communist doctrine and race resentment. That Obama was able to superficially hide it, I credit his being raised in his grandparents white world and a more than cooperative politically correct media. |
| Posted by: ed 2010-04-28 23:40 |
| #11 Wow...big brother comes out to bark. Ok, fine. I've always stated that the BC controversy was a poison pill...a 'trap', if you will. That's my .02... But stifling comment & debate on the issue like some government crackdown is antithetical to that which I believed Rantburg represented. If the matter cannot be debated, then certainly those with the misguided views that the BC is the 'silver bullet' won't get their dose of common sense here. Shame on Rantburg. Shame on the Mods. Shame on whatever Aos is. Total loss of respect. I thought adults ran this site. ...a really pathetic smackdown of free speech & debate. Juvenile...'Communista'... NON SEQUITUR! (personally, Fred, IMHO, if you're gonna let one of your cats walk across the keyboard, let it be the conservative one with the keen mind & common sense...you know, the one that doesn't chase the ducks, but just watches them, wondering, "What the hell are they up to???") |
| Posted by: logi_cal 2010-04-28 23:31 |
| #10 I think President Obama was about six when his mother and stepfather took him to Malaysia, and about twelve when his mother shipped him off to her parents on Hawaii. Quite long enough for him to develop a typical expat brat attitude toward the world. Not long enough or old enough, in my considered opinion, for him to learn enough about the outside world for that attitude to be justified. I say this as the mother of a pair of expat brats. That's why he thinks he knows, but shows he doesn't by not listening to his chief of protocol -- surely he has one, if not on staff, then on loan from the State Department! -- and by bowing to certain select heads of state which, according to Miss Manners, my personal favourite etiquette expert and expat brat, Americans do only to God, and then only should they so choose. |
| Posted by: trailing wife 2010-04-28 23:10 |
| #9 It would have been nice if he had grown up here instead of Kenya or Indonesia or wherever. |
| Posted by: gorb 2010-04-28 22:36 |
| #8 If you check out this site you will find links to official federal documents demonstrating both our president's US heritage and age (over 50 years old) :-) |
| Posted by: James 2010-04-28 22:11 |
| #7 If you are born abroad to one United States citizen and one foreign citizen, you may be considered a U.S. citizen if you meet the following requirements: * One of your parents was a U.S. citizen when you were born. * The parent who is a U.S. citizen has lived at least five years in the U.S. before you were born. * The parent who is a U.S. citizen must have lived in the U.S. for at least two years of these five years after his/her fourteenth birthday. So he's a citizen. End of story. Quite possibly the worst president in US history, but definitely a citizen. |
| Posted by: DMFD 2010-04-28 20:15 |
| #6 There are residency issues with the mom's ability to pass on citizenship to baby zero. I looked into this before trailing daughter #2 was born in a German hospital, because we didn't have base privileges. As long as one of the parents is an American citizen, the child is an American citizen, no matter where in the world that child is born. Thus, Mr. Obama is an American citizen. Period. However, the child of an American born on other than American territory must be born on American territory to be an American citizen -- if the child of the child is born on foreign soil the connection is too attenuated to be given American citizenship. So, if Mr. Obama were born on foreign soil, eg Kenya, and he divorced his current American wife to marry a foreign woman, and the child he had with that woman were born somewhere outside the U.S. but not in an American embassy or an American army/navy/air force base, then Mr. Obama's child would not inherit his American citizenship. Likewise, if trailing daughter #2 achieves her life's ambition and gets a management job abroad, she will have to fly back to America to deliver her babies... unless she marries an American man who was born in the U.S. As I said, I did a bit of research before trailing daughter #2 was born. There was no problem getting a certificate of foreign birth from the embassy -- I brought td#2's German birth certificate and my passport to the American embassy in Frankfurt, and half an hour after I got to the head of the line I had the form I needed. This sufficed to get her an American passport so we could bring her with us when we flew home, and also to get her a social security number. |
| Posted by: trailing wife 2010-04-28 20:01 |
| #5 A matter of perspective, Nero. From the POV of puppeteers, he is doing a superb job. For everyone else, that translates to a big "sucks". |
| Posted by: twobyfour 2010-04-28 16:23 |
| #4 Don't care about his birth - he's legally American and President. All I care about is that he's doing a lousy job at both. |
| Posted by: Nero Hupeper9685 2010-04-28 15:56 |
| #3 Wrong DMFD. There are residency issues with the mom's ability to pass on citizenship to baby zero. |
| Posted by: Hellfish 2010-04-28 15:40 |
| #2 Doesn't matter where he was born - his mother was a US citizen. End of debate. |
| Posted by: DMFD 2010-04-28 15:21 |
| #1 It may be that there could be something to the fact that teh Won sealed his records with a neat round legal fund figure. But until there is a solid evidence, it is a futile exercise and nothing but idle speculation. There is enough stuff teh Won does to warrant profound concerns. IMHO, his birth is not in question, but how he got the college loans/subsidies may be a diff story, and that may be the real reason for sealing records and what many are missing, being put on the false birther track. Different skeletons in the closet. |
| Posted by: twobyfour 2010-04-28 14:54 |