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End Israel aid over settlements: Presbyterians
2010-07-10
MINNEAPOLIS -- Presbyterian leaders strongly backed a proposal that included a call to end U.S. aid to Israel unless the country stops settlement expansions in disputed Palestinian territories.
Boy howdy, the Israelis have lost the presbyterians. I think that actually happened in about 1970 or so.
But they said the 172-page report, which details their church's approach to issues in the Middle East, was a sincere effort to mend long-standing fractures between the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) and Jewish groups.
Sincere effort implies a certain lack of success. Likely taken in response to hemorrhaging membership over this and other progressive stances. The more conservative branches of Presbyterianism have been growing nicely.
It earned qualified praise but also criticism from pro-Israel organizations, which have long taken issue with various Presbyterian statements on Middle East peace.

Church delegates approved the report by an 82 percent vote during the church's general assembly in Minneapolis. It's meant as a comprehensive guide to the denomination's more than 2 million members on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

"We feel we've brought together people who previously had trouble talking about some of these issues together," said Rev. Karen Dimon, pastor at Northminster Presbyterian Church in North Syracuse, New York, and chairwoman of the committee that produced the report.

Ethan Felson, vice president of the Jewish Council for Public Affairs, said he still took issue with major aspects of the report, but said it contained "important signals" that could lessen long-standing tension between Presbyterians and pro-Israel Jews. He said it strengthens support for Israel's right to exist and removes comparisons of Israeli policy to apartheid.

"Concerns remain, but I have hope that authentic dialogue and better relations can come of this," Felson said.
Good luck with that. The same left-wing nuts who hijacked much of the Anglican Church have done the same here.
The Anti-Defamation League said the report managed to "avoid a rupture with Jewish people, but bias against Israel continues." The Simon Wiesenthal Center said the report "takes definite sides in a complex struggle."

But the Rev. J.C. Austin, director of the Center for Christian Leadership at New York City's Auburn Seminary, disagreed. "We are refusing to designate a winner or loser," said Austin, who helped prepare the report.

The denomination's relationship with Jewish groups took a hit in 2004, when the church's general assembly voted to authorize "phased selective divestment in multinational corporations operating in Israel" because of Israel's policies toward Palestinians. That stance has since been softened, and this year convention delegates voted down an amendment to the Middle East report that would have put divestment back on the table.

Despite the strong convention vote, some delegates expressed concern that the Middle East report remained too slanted toward a Palestinian perspective.

"There are many longtime friends in the Jewish community who believe this report misstates Jewish theology and misquotes the Jewish voice," said the Rev. Susan Zencka, pastor at Frame Memorial Presbyterian Church in Stevens Point, Wis. "We have come to a position of Palestine good, Israel bad. Life is not that simple."

But supporters stressed that the overarching goal of the report is to encourage activism toward peace in the Middle East.

"I fully support a state of Israel, but I also believe Israel's peace will not come until they seek peace with Palestinians," said Dottie Villesvik, a church elder from Everett, Wash.
Posted by:Steve White

#12  PC(USA) hasn't just been hemorrhaging members, but entire congregations which have gone over to one of the several more traditional branches of Presbyterianism. It's not the faith that's at fault, but the PC(USA) heresy.
Posted by: trailing wife   2010-07-10 20:59  

#11  Point taken Cloud Banks. I suspect there were a few "excellent" camp guards at Buchanwald who didn't agree with the "phycho" party line as well. No sense labeling or sterotyping everyone, right?
Posted by: Besoeker   2010-07-10 16:25  

#10  Moderator Broyles destroyed the Presbyterian church with his socialism and hatred of the Jews. How this man can hold such influence in a congregational organization is incredible.

The charismatic psycho church leader is not a new theme. In fact, it is almost hackneyed. Don't any of you watch John Lithgow in Dexter as the serial killer Church Leader? Come on. Just becauase of this dope, the Presbyterian Church is not ruin-ded. Many excellent Presbyterian exist, and do read the Bible. It is a bit of overreactionary kudzu to start doubting the entire kit and kiboodle. Chicken Little, you have a cable. It says the sky is not falling.
Posted by: Cloud Banks   2010-07-10 15:22  

#9  The delegates also debated whether to endorse same sex marriage but couldnÂ’t decide. However, they voted to allow for openly gay clergy. (As long as theyÂ’re in a “committed” relationship of course.) Apparently the lutefisk dinners have now taken a back seat to social justice issues.
Posted by: DepotGuy   2010-07-10 14:52  

#8  Wonder if any of these Politically Correct Presbys ever read the Bible?
Posted by: Flolunter Poodle5349   2010-07-10 13:00  

#7  How do you say Progressive Standartenfuerer, in Presbyterian?

'Bishop'
Posted by: Steve White   2010-07-10 11:28  

#6  Moderator Broyles destroyed the Presbyterian church with his socialism and hatred of the Jews. How this man can hold such influence in a congregational organization is incredible.
Posted by: bman   2010-07-10 11:28  

#5  (sorry for the double post)
If you really want to set such a Presbyterian's teeth on edge, confront them on their support for ethnic cleansing in Palestine. After all, why must there be no Jewish people living there?
Posted by: eLarson   2010-07-10 11:24  

#4  Well it's looking like it is time for me to call for an end to our congregation's association with PC(USA). It would be over their implicit support for Palestinians due to Palestinian's policies toward Israel--mostly consisting of launching rockets willy-nilly into Israeli neighborhoods.
Posted by: eLarson   2010-07-10 11:21  

#3  JAWOHL! Miene Oberlieutnant!

How do you say Progressive Standartenfuerer, in Presbyterian?
Posted by: Oscar Phaish3933   2010-07-10 08:42  

#2  But supporters stressed that the overarching goal of the report is to encourage activism toward peace in the Middle East.

Through the condemnation of the Jew of course. A somewhat international theme since the 1930's I must say. Pray for and serve the sinners in your own pews ja feckless bastids.
Posted by: Besoeker   2010-07-10 07:19  

#1  I went Methodist after they eliminate the eliminated the "Holy Trinity". I'll never go back
Posted by: Beavis   2010-07-10 01:20  

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