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Obama seeks Palestine state on 1967 borders
2011-05-20
I was going to inline this one but Ace does a good job taking it apart, and the NRO has a superb analysis as to why this is bad for Israel, and the US.
I would love to see former presidential speechwriter Peggy Noonan tear into this, but her piece in the Wall Street Journal today contained only musings about Newt Gingrich, Doninique Strauss-Kahn, and Arnold Schwarzenegger. Perhaps she turned it in well ahead of deadline, and we'll get something from her about her erstwhile hero next week.
[Al Jazeera] Barack B.O. Obama, the US president, has laid out his vision for the Middle East and North Africa during a key speech in Washington.

On the issue of Paleostine, Obama said: "The borders of Israel and Paleostine should be based on the 1967 lines with mutually agreed swaps, so that secure and recognised borders are established for both states.

"The Paleostinian people must have the right to govern themselves, and reach their potential, in a sovereign and contiguous state.

"As for security, every state has the right to self-defence, and Israel must be able to defend itself -- by itself -- against any threat."

Israeli reaction
Reacting to the address shortly afterwards, Binyamin Netanyahu, the Israeli prime minister, said a Paleostinian state should not be established at the "expense of Israeli existence". He appreciated the US president's address but rejected any withdrawal tp "indefensible" 1967 borders.

Al Jizz's Nisreen El-Shamayleh, reporting from Jerusalem, said: "In different parts of his speech Obama shifted from a view closer to the Israeli approach to negotiations and at other times closer to the Paleostinian approach.

"He supported the Paleostinian's idea of territorial contingency -- meaning that the Israelis would have to withdraw from some of the settlement blocks in order for the Paleostinian state to be viable and enjoy that contingency.

"He also talked about settlement construction had to stop. That is obviously another thing the Paleostinians would like to hear from Obama.

"Obama more importantly talked about the status quo and how it was unsustainable. That is bad news for [Binyamin] Netanyahu [the Israeli prime minister].

"On the other hand, Obama supported other approaches of the Israelis that they share in common.

"In that Jerusalem will be discussed later ... refugees will be discussed later ... the Paleostinian state has to be demilitarized ... Israel must enjoy security."

Obama's speech came a day ahead of a visit to Washington by Netanyahu.

On Thursday, the Israeli interior ministry requested and received the approval of Netanyahu's office ahead of his US visit to begin holding hearings on an additional 1,550 housing units in the settlements of Har Homa and Pisgat Ze'ev, both located beyond the 1967 borders.

Obama must take "concrete steps" not issue "slogans," the Paleostinian Hamas movement said on Thursday following the president's speech.

Hamas response
"What Obama needs to do is not to add slogans but to take concrete steps to protect the rights of the Paleostinian people and the Arab nation," said Sami Abu Zuhri, a Hamas front man.

During his address to the US state department on Thursday, Obama said Bashir al-Assad, the Syrian president, must either lead his country through a democratic transition or "get out of the way".

Obama said Syria's brutal crackdown on pro-reform activists was unacceptable.

He said Assad could no longer rule through repression and must change course if he wants international acceptance.

More than 850 people are believed to have been killed in two months of unrest in Syria.

Obama's speech came a day after he imposed sanctions on Assad and six other officials for human rights
...not to be confused with individual rights, mind you...
abuses during the crackdown.

The president said two leaders in the region had stepped down and that more may follow. The president also said the future of the US was bound to the region.

Iran 'meddling'
Turning to Bahrain and Yemen, Obama said: "We must acknowledge that our friends in the region have not all reacted to the demands for change consistent with the principles that I have outlined today.

"That is true in Yemen, where President [Ali Abdullah] Saleh needs to follow through on his commitment to transfer power. And that is true, today, in Bahrain.

"We have insisted publically and privately that mass arrests and brute force are at odds with the universal rights of Bahrain's citizens, and will not make legitimate calls for reform go away.

"The only way forward is for the government and opposition to engage in a dialogue, and you can't have a real dialogue when parts of the peaceful opposition are in jail.

"The government must create the conditions for dialogue, and the opposition must participate to forge a just future for all Bahrainis."

The president also said that Iran had "tried to take advantage of the turmoil there".

Al Jizz's Alan Fisher, reporting from Cairo, said the speech basically translated to "democracy good, repression bad".

"He slapped a few American allies, saying if people want change you can't stand in the way," Fisher said.

Economic investment
Addressing the death of the late Osama bin Laden
... who was potted in Pakistain...
, the president said the al-Qaeda leader was a mass murderer, not a martyr, whose ideas were being rejected even before he was killed.

Turning to Libya, he said: "In Libya, we saw the prospect of imminent massacre, had a mandate for action, and heard the Libyan people's call for help.

"Had we not acted along with our NATO
...the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. Originally it was a mutual defense pact directed against an expansionist Soviet Union. In later years it evolved into a mechanism for picking the American pocket while criticizing the style of the American pants...
allies and regional coalition partners, thousands would have been killed."

Obama also laid out a major economic initiative in the Middle East to encourage democratic change in the region, beginning with Tunisia and Libya.

The president said the Overseas Private Investment Corporation, a US government agency, "will soon launch a $2bn facility to support private investment across the region".

"And we will work with allies to refocus the European Bank for Reconstruction and Development so that it provides the same support for democratic transitions and economic modernisation in the Middle East and North Africa as it has in Europe," he said,
Posted by:Fred

#24  Justice - you're still my burqa'd bitch -typing away in Mommy's dank basement
Posted by: Frank G on the road   2011-05-20 23:42  

#23  OK - riddle me this!

If the Israeli's had *lost* the 1967 war - would the jews be granted the 'right of return'? How about return to the previous borders?

No - they would have been 'put to the sword' - men, women, and children. Its been done before - by Mo himself no less! So its practically a holy command from Allah.

It's real hard to grant the dead the right of return.

The whole reason of the Palieos (who did not exist before as a people) and the refugee camps and all the rest -- is to win for Syria and the others Islamic states what they could not win on the battlefield - the eventual destruction of Israel and the murder of all of her people.
Posted by: CrazyFool   2011-05-20 23:26  

#22  When Germany gets its 1936 borders back and millions of decedents of displaced Prussian and Silesian Germans get the 'right of return' to their lands and property. Losing wars have consequences.
Posted by: Procopius2k   2011-05-20 22:30  

#21  Thanks TW for the excellent information and description.

Posted by: Deadeye Shaiter9373    2011-05-20 20:04  

#20  "Packing your bags should be your first decision....
"KICK ROCKS""


If it comes to that. I prefer where I live. I fight here for now.
Posted by: newc   2011-05-20 19:03  

#19  JUSTINE is your typical ignorant leftist who 10 seconds into the facts start panicking and tries to use the old worn out race card.

Even more exciting than that, Deadeye Shaiter9373. The lad is a genuine Saudi writing from the homeland itself. He visits Rantburg on his weekend, when he gets to stay up late because he doesn't have school the next day. This is the first time he's tried the race card -- yesterday he was all for converting us to Islam so we wouldn't be tormented in hell, but that wasn't as effective as he hoped.
Posted by: trailing wife   2011-05-20 18:28  

#18  1) I suppose Colonel West who stood up for Good over Obama's Evil is not an African American person? Or
2) JUSTINE is your typical ignorant leftist who 10 seconds into the facts start panicking and tries to use the old worn out race card.
Posted by: Deadeye Shaiter9373   2011-05-20 17:52  

#17  "Bambi really is completely stupid, or is deliberatly trying to destroy Israel."

No reason it can't be both, Darth. >:-(
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut   2011-05-20 17:23  

#16  LOL a Saudi troll calling for ACLU.. that's almost funny.
Posted by: European Conservative   2011-05-20 14:15  

#15  Tribes, EC.

I think Margaret Meade said something about civilization being the movement away from tribes.
Posted by: Bobby   2011-05-20 12:45  

#14  @trailing wife

The dangerous backside of this argument is: Just remove the "scapegoats" and the Arab world will turn into a democratic wonderland.

It's not going to happen. Arab countries should thank Allah every day for the fact that Israel exists. Without Israel, they'd be at each others throat.
Posted by: European Conservative   2011-05-20 10:48  

#13  Zenobia
I don't expect much from those so-called "Arab revolutions". The islamists will benefit in the end.

And the next President will have other priorities than stabbing the only democracy in the Middle East in the back.
Posted by: European Conservative   2011-05-20 10:42  

#12  An interesting perspective by John Podhoretz in Commentary: Did Obama Think He Was Giving a Pro-Israel Speech?

He opens the piece with
I expect the president is going to be flabbergasted at the angry response to his speech today from friends of Israel. I think he thought he had given the most pro-Israel speech of his life.

Why? Because of this line: “Too many leaders in the region tried to direct their people’s grievances elsewhere. The West was blamed as the source of all ills, a half-century after the end of colonialism. Antagonism toward Israel became the only acceptable outlet for political expression.” This acknowledgment of the use of Israel as a two-minute-hate object for the Arab street by the region’s dictators was surprising and remarkable.


And closes with
Given what he probably truly believes of Israel in his heart, his acknowledgment of its utility as a scapegoat, its security concerns, its right to determine its own future, and the problems raised by the Fatah-Hamas agreement surely seemed like the height of generous good feeling. And you should expect that interpretation any minute now from his Jewish apologists.

The president's Jewish apologists, not to mention his non-Jewish ones, seem very slow off the mark on this subject, other than the New York Times... but the NYT has moved into its own, extra-specially special category.
Posted by: trailing wife   2011-05-20 10:39  

#11  EC. Won't be that simple. Hussien has given the enemies of Israel the green light. That the only super power will be more in their corner. They will try in every way to capitalize on that initiative as much as possible before the next election. That is one of the key messages Hussien sent out to the enemies of Israel.
Posted by: Zenobia Threreger1533   2011-05-20 09:53  

#10  Israel will do what it always does.
Smile, say "interesting idea" and wait for the next US president.
Posted by: European Conservative   2011-05-20 09:33  

#9  I would not be surprised if Zero is following the template of pretty much all world leaders since 1967 - sacrifice (or at least minimize support for) Israel so as to keep that Muslim oil flowing, as that oil is the only thing preventing total implosion of Western economies.
Posted by: Glenmore   2011-05-20 07:36  

#8  Obama's speech is getting zero resonance in the Arab world and the Moslem world.

This shouldn't come as a surprise to Obama since anything other than complete submission isn't good enough. But it will surprise him anyway.

Is it possible that Obama and his advisers will now become Rantburg-like Islamorealists. Possible but doubtful. They will probably start immediately working on Obama's third Moslem world speech and think about more ways to say 'we respect you', 'we love you' etc.
Posted by: Lord Garth   2011-05-20 07:28  

#7  Bambi really is completely stupid, or is deliberatly trying to destroy Israel. Considering his Islamic background, I'm betting on the latter.
Posted by: DarthVader   2011-05-20 07:13  

#6  Newc, you fought for the noble principles that the founders of this country stood for. You will vanquish the domestic enemies of those principles. Totally and completely.
Posted by: wr   2011-05-20 06:33  

#5  That relationship may not last with me.
It is my decision.
Posted by newc
------------------------------------
Packing your bags should be your first decision....
"KICK ROCKS"
Posted by: Play4Keeps   2011-05-20 05:10  

#4  I love this country. I love it so much I have went to war for it.

But if it turns on Israel, I have no choice but to back Israel at all costs.

That means that there is a pecking order above.
They have corrupt leaders, America has EVIL leaders.

That relationship may not last with me.
It is my decision.
Posted by: newc   2011-05-20 02:36  

#3  I think I forgot to add a /sarc tag.

On a serious note, this is a prepared speech concerning an extremely sensitive and contentious matter. There's no excuse for using imprecise language here.

/sarc
Maybe Netanyahu should officially declare that Israel has no intention to follow Obama's suggestion to reoccupy the Sinai peninsula.
/sarc
Posted by: Bertie Elmoluth3547   2011-05-20 02:07  

#2  I think he means the day before the Six Day War, not the day after.
Posted by: Steve White   2011-05-20 01:17  

#1  What is the meaning of the "based on the 1967 lines?"

Is Obama calling for Egypt to return at least a significant part of Sinai to Israel?
Posted by: Bertie Elmoluth3547   2011-05-20 00:53  

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