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Africa North
Brit attack helicopters to be deployed to Libya
2011-05-24
The Daily Telegraph has learned that Apache helicopters will fly into Libya from a Royal Navy warship, in a joint operation with the French. As many as 18 British and French helicopters will be deployed to support rebels trying to consolidate gains against Gaddafi's forces.

The helicopter operation -- expected to be supported by Special Forces troops -- will take the allies closer still to a full ground operation in Libya.

Whitehall officials said that later this week, the Apaches will begin flying missions in from HMS Ocean, a helicopter carrier in the Mediterranean.
That avoids certain ground deployment issues, but they still need people at/near the front to call in targets, don't they?
Their use was authorised by David Cameron at a meeting of the National Security Council after the Prime Minister asked military chiefs for new ways to increase the pressure on the Libyan regime.

"We are constantly looking for ways to intensify the diplomatic and military pressure on the Libyan regime," said a spokesman for Mr Cameron.

One of the helicopters' principal tasks will be to enforce a 16-mile buffer zone around the beseiged city of Misurata. Some semblance of normality has returned to the city since rebels captured the airport and attacked Libyan army artillery positions more than a week ago.

British military planners said the helicopters would help the rebels entrench their control over Misurata and deal a symbolic blow to Col Gaddafi.

"It is very important that we sustain that buffer zone to demonstrate the sense of normality that is building in Misurata now that it is no longer significantly under threat from Gaddafi," one source said.

The Apaches, which carry Hellfire missiles and 30mm cannons, will target mortar batteries, light military vehicles and individuals including snipers and commanders. The helicopters have been highly effective in Afghanistan, targeting Taliban leaders and foot-soldiers in Helmand.

HMS Ocean is currently carrying three Apaches, whose crews have been practising for the Libyan operation in Cyprus. Another helicopter will arrive in the area later this week, and two more are on standby in the UK.
A helicopter carrier and it has THREE copters? Sheesh...
As many as 12 Tiger and Gazelle helicopters will also fly from the BPC Tonnerre, a French carrier that sailed from Toulon this week.

The Anglo-French operation in Libya is now in its third month, with warplanes targeting Gaddafi's forces with bombs and missiles on a daily basis. Despite repeated claims that the regime is weakening, ministers are increasingly anxious about the rebels' lack of progress against loyalist forces.

The helicopters will help replace low-flying American gunships that were withdrawn from the operation in March by President Barack Obama, who arrives in London today for talks with Mr Cameron. Officials said that Britain and France will continue to press Mr Obama to commit more US forces to the Libyan operation, although the president remains reluctant.

Military experts said deploying helicopters will make the Nato campaign more effective, but not without risks.

"Attack helicopters can go lower and slower than fighter bombers and their missiles and cannon can be useful precision weapons. Although they are vulnerable they can take can take advantage of terrain in ways that fast jets cannot," said Benajmin Barry, a defence analyst at the International Institute of Strategic Studies.

Mr Cameron and President Barack Obama will make their strongest statement of support for democracy protests across the Middle East and North Africa on Tuesday. The two leaders will threaten military action as a last resort to regimes using violence against the protesters, in a notable shift in Mr Obama's position, who remained silent during the early weeks of the Arab Spring.

"We will stand with those who want to bring light into dark, support those who seek freedom in place of repression, aid those laying the building blocks of democracy," they wrote in a joint statement.

In a press conference on Monday, William Hague, the Foreign Secretary, and Hillary Clinton, the US Secretary of State, singled out the "unacceptable" use of force by Syrian president Bashar al-Assad. The EU followed the US in imposing sanctions on him on Monday.

In terms of the relationship between Britain and America, Mrs Clinton joked: "If there were any closer alignment, we would worry about each other."
Posted by:Steve White

#13  Collateral damage?

Chirping crickets? Strange is it not, the silence?

After all, this is not GAZA!!! We are HELPING our Mooslim friends. How can collateral damage be an issue against the enemies of Islam. Allen says they deserve death, right?
Posted by: Besoeker   2011-05-24 20:41  

#12  no matter who wins we will have too kill the fuckers off in the nd game.. At least we KNEW Qaddify was a quack and more than likely knew when he was gonna do his dirty work unlike the Lockerbie bombing.But anyway thank the Daily for letting everyone in Lybia including the targets that the apaches are coming.
Posted by: chris   2011-05-24 20:35  

#11  no matter who wins we will have too kill the fuckers off in the nd game.. At least we KNEW Qaddify was a quack and more than likely knew when he was gonna do his dirty work unlike the Lockerbie bombing.But anyway thank the Daily for letting everyone in Lybia including the targets that the apaches are coming.
Posted by: chris   2011-05-24 20:34  

#10  And what is the ideology of the parties who the UK, etc seeks to defend? Remember what happened when Jimmah and Andrew Young thought it was smart to support mobs in iran? Onetime democracy is really dictatorship. Jimmah never learned that.
Posted by: Flesing the Bald9034   2011-05-24 15:19  

#9  And the 'endgame' is.............?

Good (if rhetorical) question.

Officially it'd be whatever objective listed in the UN resolution is. Considering that they tend to be more elastic than a Russian gymnnast, it could be Lebanon all over again.
Posted by: Pappy   2011-05-24 13:05  

#8  http://royalnavy.mod.uk/operations-and-support/surface-fleet/assault-ships/hms-ocean/photo-gallery/index.htm

Actually as fairly impressive ship, but the only one of its kind in the RN.
Posted by: NoMoreBS   2011-05-24 12:51  

#7  Geez, a NATO clusterfuck a couple months in, and they start rolling out the *promise* of Apaches. This feels more and more like the '99 Kosovo war, take two.

This is going to end with Russian peacekeepers occupying the oil terminals, isn't it?
Posted by: Mitch H.   2011-05-24 12:02  

#6  Yes, but is that the good news or the bad news?

Yes.

A chopper can be booking it at 160 knots doing a NAP of the earth (Near As Possible) and by the time you hear it and look up, it has passed you. The downside is, if the pilot blinks, he is dead if he does it in a canyon.
I was in the 101st and I trust the rotory aircraft to get in, hit the target and vanish without being seen more than sending fixed wing aircraft to do the job. There are risks, but they can be well managed with a trained crew.
Posted by: DarthVader   2011-05-24 11:43  

#5  Attack helicopters can go lower and slower than fighter bombers

Yes, but is that the good news or the bad news?
Posted by: Matt   2011-05-24 10:58  

#4  Military experts said deploying helicopters will make the Nato campaign more effective, but not without risks.

Risks!?! Gee...do ya think? Do you really think the Q-Team didn't anticipate this platform and might have a stash of Hot-Shots? Hows bout just a simple Heavy cal. sniper fired at a static target. And if ya'll think that golden-pellet RPG in close proximity thing is just in the movies - it ain't. There are enormous risks to this sort of engagement even when there's a clearly defined 'Military' mission. But there's a good chance that this muddlefuck inchoate strategy of half-measures and symbolic gestures is gonna get the NATO boys kilt while some Diploshit tries to get the AU or some other dysfunctional organization to broker a deal.

Welcome to "Strategic Leadership of the 21st Century".
Posted by: DepotGuy   2011-05-24 10:31  

#3  And the 'endgame' is.............?
Posted by: Besoeker   2011-05-24 03:21  

#2  Most of an LPH helicopters would be for transport. A dozen transport and 4 attack helos would be a good complement for a small LPH.
Posted by: Zebulon Thranter9685   2011-05-24 01:53  

#1  A helicopter carrier and it has THREE copters? Sheesh...
At first blush,'Sheesh' seems about right, but please remember that over the past couple of years Britian has repeatedly cut their military forces' hardware, parking all the Harriers, serious talks on-going about reducing the size of the F-35 buy, the EADS A400M transport is on life support, so having only 3 helos available is probably just enough to keep the aircrew current, or perhaps provide minimal SAR coverage.
If any of our British cousins can shed more light, please chime in.
Posted by: USN,Ret.   2011-05-24 00:09  

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