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Home Front: Politix
US talks on debt default to continue
2011-07-11
[Al Jazeera] President Barack B.O. Obama and a bipartisan group of congressional leaders will meet on Monday to continue working on a deal to avert a looming US debt default.

Obama and Republican and Democratic leaders met for roughly an hour and a half on Sunday in a bid to break an impasse on deficit reduction talks to allow Congress to raise the $14.3 trillion debt ceiling before the country runs out of money to cover its bills on August 2.

The meeting was a much shorter session than the four or five hours congressional aides had predicted late last week.

The White House said the US president will seek "the biggest deal possible" at the talks after Republicans withdrew from a $4tn deficit-reduction deal because it would raise taxes.

John It is not pronounced 'Boner!' Boehner
... the occasionally weepy leader of House Republicans...
, speaker of the Republican-dominated House of Representatives, facing stiff opposition from fellow Republicans over the prospects of higher taxes, told Obama on Saturday he would only pursue a smaller $2tn package.

The move followed Democratic complaints to Obama that he should not agree to any reforms of popular entitlement programmes that would lead to benefit cuts.

Calling it a "grave moment for the country", Timothy Geithner, the treasury secretary, told NBC's Meet the Press programme that Obama and the Democrats would try to get the "biggest deal possible" and that failure to act could lead to catastrophic damage to the fragile US economy.

"It's going to require both sides to compromise. The president's bringing both sides together again at the White House this evening to try to figure out how to move forward," Geithner said.

William Daley, the White House chief of staff, told CBS' Face the Nation programme that "there's no question in my mind" that a default will be avoided.
Posted by:Fred

#16  ION NEWSMAX > [Prof. Terry Zivney of Ball State University]PROFESSOR: US DID DEFAULT IN 1979, briefly + technically on US$120.0Milyuhn of T-Bills back when the US Debt Ceiling was a lowly US$843.0 Bilyuhn.

and

* SAME > [ex-NY Governor George] PATAKI: GOP MUST NOT COMPROMISE [core = basic principles] ON DEBT CEILING, said principles being ...
> Low taxes.
> Less regulation.
> Support for strong Growth Environment.
> Redux on Entitlement Spending.
> No blame laid on the Private Sector-Markets.

versus

* BHARAT RAKSHAK > [Video] MAX KEISER: US GOING DOWN AFTER GREECE, to be followed later by the collapse of Spain, Portugal, + Italy.

* SAME > DOLLAR APOCALYPSE [US financial analysts predict a collapse of US Dollar will devastate World Economies for a long period].

* SAME > CHINA OR AMERICA: WHICH ONE IS THE DEVELOPING COUNTRY?

Artic = Econ gauges says its America = Amerika.

IIRC, as per USDEBTCLOCK.org + CNN, US Debt as of this AM 07/12/2011 Guam time is over US$14.833 and climbing.
Posted by: JosephMendiola   2011-07-11 23:03  

#15  LBJ, rotten human being though he may have been, would have brokered a deal over this months ago,

:)

Yep, and then twisted arms and threaten to name the names the next important vote. Bluest Dawg Evar.

A coniving SOB but would have been a world class Prime Minister. Levers, buttons, he could smell them.

Posted by: S   2011-07-11 19:23  

#14  Well, I guess that settles it then. After all, The Messiah DID get Bin Laden, ya'know. You DO know that, dont you?

Yes By an extreme third {arty, and very long distance, If Obama got Osama it was by accident, NOT deliberately.
Posted by: Redneck Jim   2011-07-11 19:21  

#13  Boehner looks like the guy who is ready to walk off the used car lot if he doesn't get the deal he wants. Any used car salesman could see that. Obama better go talk to his manager again.
Posted by: Ebbang Uluque6305   2011-07-11 18:45  

#12  Lots of folks talk about what a great politician The One is. I don't think so. He may be a pretty good campaigner, but that's different. LBJ, rotten human being though he may have been, would have brokered a deal over this months ago, as would several other recent presidents. The One instead publicly belittles Paul Ryan and his budget proposal and talks about Republicans as if they were children who won't "eat their peas." Self-indulgent rhetoric like that is not how you get deals done.
Posted by: Matt   2011-07-11 18:38  

#11  So what's wrong with peas?
"That is not an acceptable approach," he said at a press conference before talks resumed. "So we might as well do it now. Pull off the bandaid. Eat our peas. Now is the time to do it. If not now, when?" He added: "This is the United States of America. We don't manage our affairs in three month increments."
Posted by: tipper   2011-07-11 17:39  

#10  And don't take Obama's word on *anything*!

The guy is a proven (time and again) liar and fraud.
Posted by: CrazyFool   2011-07-11 16:05  

#9  John It is not pronounced 'Boner!' Boehner I have a feeling that if Boehner caves, his last name will rhyme with "Gonner." Boehner and the Republicans need to hang tough.

Obama didn't care to negotiate or seek any input on ObamaCare from Republicans--he shut them out and reminded them that he won. Since he lost the House in 2010, he sounds like he wants to negotiate but he really doesn't care a whit about that. His feigned magnanimity is for the benefit of the rubes who elected him in 2008. He began running for re-election the day after the election. O'Bumble would like to fracture the Republican Party before the 2012 election. This man (Obama) took Alinsky seriously. The Republicans have to realize he and donks play hardball and care little about anything but the next election.
Posted by: JohnQC   2011-07-11 15:59  

#8  "This entire exercise is about modifying the behavior of the government".

Ditto. Obama doesn't adapt. Kennedy grew with the office but Obama shows no signs of doing that.
Posted by: Dale   2011-07-11 13:52  

#7  BLUF - This entire exercise is about modifying the behavior of the government. Spending must be cut. Not long term where effectively they won't happen but immediate. Tax revenue will not fix the problem either and again, they will just spend it when they get it.

If you give the addict even MORE after he doubled his dose, he will want yet more again.

No Mr President - you doubled the debt YOURSELF, you cut it yourself.
Posted by: newc   2011-07-11 13:44  

#6  phil_b Hello, I believe our own government forced lenders into loans that they normally would have shunned. Brazil is now suffering for the same reason as are many other countries. Sad to say Ireland. They had enjoyed a short lived prosperity.They had some of the best of times and I'm certain they long for those days again.
Posted by: Dale   2011-07-11 13:03  

#5  Actually default is a good thing.

Because it punishes reckless lenders.

And they created this mess in the first place.

Banking on being bailout by the various governmnts, which to date they have been.
Posted by: phil_b   2011-07-11 12:53  

#4  Obama is causing so much pain for the working black community. Yet they want him still to have more of a backbone to fight on with the same lousy ideas he has. They still say this was a mess handed down to him. That this will take time to correct. People can be very difficult at times. You can't break from the pack. You can't improve yourself. You can't move out. Like a person drowning they will pull others down with them. My Viet Nam friend went back with his wife to visit her mother who was ill. A rental bike cost $2000. He spent some time in the hospital after being attacked. Then about two months in hospital here in the States. He was now an outsider. Who didn't belong there. A rich outsider which made it worse for him.
Posted by: Dale   2011-07-11 09:03  

#3  From the scuttlebutt I have heard, the Republicans were willing to do short term, limited taxes on things that wouldn't piss off most people for some real reductions on programs that they chose. No more fuggy accounting from the CBO type cuts. At this point Obama demanded more taxes and only cuts to the programs he wanted (see fudge) the Republicans said no thanks.
Posted by: DarthVader   2011-07-11 08:09  

#2  " no question in his mind....." all righty.

Well, I guess that settles it then. After all, The Messiah DID get Bin Laden, ya'know. You DO know that, dont you?
Posted by: de Medici   2011-07-11 05:04  

#1  Yup, the Once has NOT been defeated in a long time, It's Time.
Posted by: Redneck Jim   2011-07-11 02:00  

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