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Economy
What is the Stock Market Telling Us?
2011-08-14
The most obvious answer is that it is simply agreeing with Standard & Poor's, which in its Aug. 5 decision to downgrade U.S. government debt from a AAA rating to AA+ decried Washington's "political brinksmanship" and said that the recent debt deal "falls short" of what is needed to bring U.S. finances under control.
Yup, yup. Pretty obvious to me.
Me too but neither of us is elite enough to write for WaPo...
Look at the bond market, which is twice the size of the stock market and was, after all, the main audience for S&P's analysis. If market participants were truly concerned about the inability of the U.S. government to deal with its budget, we should have seen a spike in interest rates as bond investors became more nervous about the continued flood of government debt and the heightened risk that they may not get their money back.
But the Chinese want austerity! And they own 10% of our debt!
But instead, interest rates fell by a significant amount.

An alternative view, most prominently expressed by New York Times columnist Paul Krugman, is that the markets have concluded, given the struggling economy, that budget cuts are precisely the wrong medicine for what ails us.
Spend, baby, spend!
The government should take advantage of the fact that it can essentially borrow for free to finance badly needed infrastructure investments. After all, our airports, roads and bridges are in need of urgent repair, and the extra investment would provide job opportunities and inject money into the economy.
Like a teeny, tiny portion of the Stimulus did.
The reason this argument is falling on deaf ears is that, over the past two years, we've experienced a true citizen's revolt in America against public spending and government debt, embodied most visibly by the tea party movement.
Aha! The usual suspect!
We are thus hamstrung in our ability to deal with the slowing U.S. economy, not because of some deeply flawed strategy, but because public support for a plan based on vigorous government spending has evaporated. Indeed, since last year's midterm elections, we have been contending with a strong and politically influential movement to shrink the size of government.
Shrinking the gubamint can still happen...
Nearly three years after the financial crisis began, a third of residential mortgages in America remain underwater. Since then, about 1 million homes have been foreclosed on every year, and by one estimate, an additional 11 million households -- one out of every five -- could lose their homes unless something is done. A large-scale government program to restructure residential mortgages and help households refinance underwater mortgages would reduce the debt overhang and support consumer demand. Most important, by channeling public money to help individual families, rather than Wall Street, this initiative could alter the political dynamics that currently doom any government efforts to jump-start the economy.
Yea! Some of us underwater didn't borrow ourselves into the hole, we got caught by a crash instead of a dip.
It wouldn't be cheap. But it would be less expensive than another deep recession.

Untangling what the financial markets are saying is rarely easy or straightforward. If the Dow and other major indices continue to zigzag their way down, there is a very real danger that politicians will draw the wrong conclusions -- and begin to push for policies that would only make things worse.
Posted by:Bobby

#9  Meanwhile back at the farm "The Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC), which insures deposits of around 8,000 American banks, said three entities -- The First National Bank of Olathe, Bank of Whitman and Bank of Shorewood -- were closed down in August". That's 277 million FDIC gotta cover for those three alone. Yes I checked.
Posted by: Dale   2011-08-14 21:07  

#8  S: You have hit on this situation. As has been pointed out elsewhere, severe inflation and even hyperinflation often first begin with a loss of investment confidence. That is, everybody hoards cash, because risk is too great for about anything else.

As a response to this, governments then start pushing more and more cash into the market, to increase liquidity, and fend off deflation, which happens when nobody buys.

And then a panic happens. In truth, the market has become over-liquid, and when whatever crisis happens, suddenly there is a buying binge, starting with commodities. Too much money after too few goods.

Then strong and fast inflation sets in, unless speculators quickly buy up big parts of the commodities pipeline, that is physical possession of commodities that were intended for retail. This causes real hyperinflation.

That is, too much money at the same time of artificial shortages equals hyperinflation.

And invariably, government redoubles its liquidity efforts, pumping still more money into the system already overfull with money.
Posted by: Anonymoose   2011-08-14 19:39  

#7  The market is saying get a life outside of crap.

Which is rather at odds with the objective of re-igniting the consumer as the engine of the economy...
Posted by: Pappy   2011-08-14 19:07  

#6  The market is saying sit tight and don't get your undies in a wad. Pay your mortgage once a month and enjoy your house, go to work and save a few bucks, don't buy a car-of-stupidity, your children don't need data plans, likely neither do you, your CRT television is just fine. The market is saying get a life outside of crap.
Posted by: S   2011-08-14 18:12  

#5  What is the Stock Market Telling Us?

Prepare for the Barackalypse (or Baracknarok)!
Posted by: CincinnatusChili   2011-08-14 16:45  

#4  The stock market is racist.
Posted by: newc   2011-08-14 15:50  

#3  Instead of channeling money extorted from workers to reward feckless reproduction, why not help the economy by giving workers a pay rise by cutting taxes?
Posted by: Bright Pebbles   2011-08-14 15:18  

#2   there is a very real danger that politicians will ... push for policies that would only make things worse.
This describes the current situation, what Obama & the Dems are doing will only make things worse. What the GOP wants will ALSO MAKE THINGS WORSE. However, that is not the only result of GOP policies, which will allow for things to get better once the price is paid for past economic and financial stupidity.
The price must be paid. There is no conceivable political policy that WILL NOT MAKE THINGS WORSE.
Posted by: Anguper Hupomosing9418   2011-08-14 15:17  

#1  Most important, by channeling public money to help individual families, rather than Wall Street, this initiative could alter the political dynamics that currently doom any government efforts to jump-start the economy.

Okay...so where the hell was the WaPo editorial board when the Dems were cutting infrastructure spending out of the original stimulus package in favor of creating slush funds for traditional Dem constituencies - the NEA, the SEIU and the Poor Downtrodden Minorities® ?
Posted by: Ricky bin Ricardo (Abu BabalooI   2011-08-14 14:25  

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