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Africa North
Libyan SAMs missing
2011-09-08
Sourced to HRW so who really knows? But the implications are disturbing.
Tripoli, Libya -- As Libya's National Transitional Council (NTC) hunt for and collect the weapons that fueled Muammar Qaddafi's war machine, they are quickly learning that some choice pieces of his vast stockpile of mines, mortars, and explosives are missing.

At newly discovered weapons-storage sites, thousands of shoulder-held surface-to-air missiles (SAMs) are unaccounted for. At one unguarded facility, empty packing crates and documents reveal that 482 sophisticated Russian SA-24 missiles were shipped to Libya in 2004, and now are gone. With a range of 11,000 feet, the SA-24 is Moscow's modern version of the American "stinger," which in the 1980s helped the US-backed Afghan mujahideen turn their war against the Soviet Union.

With Libya already facing great uncertainty in the post-Qaddafi era, seepage from unsecured weapons stores could further threaten its nascent revolutionary government by arming a loyalist insurgency -- or providing regional rebel groups and Al Qaeda in the Maghreb with a lethal arsenal.

"If these weapons fall in the wrong hands, all of North Africa will be a no-fly zone," says Peter Bouckaert, the emergencies director of Human Rights Watch (HRW), who has brought a number of weapons-storage sites to the NTC's attention.

"That's the Western concern," Mr. Bouckaert tells journalists at the site, noting the interest of Al Qaeda affiliates and regional insurgents in being able to easily target aircraft. "But what poses the biggest danger to Libyan people -- as we know from Iraq -- is what's laying right behind you ... all of these tank shells and mortars, because that's what people turn into car bombs."
The issue here is whether the LTC can provide stability and security to the country or whether it devolves into prolonged civil war ala Somalia. If the latter, the factions will find weapons, whether said weapons come from local warehouses or are shipped in from elsewhere. There's no shortage of guns and ammo in Somalia...
The sophistication and vast size of Libya's military hardware -- and the fact that it was widely dispersed during the NATO airstrikes -- complicates the effort to control it, as the Tripoli Military Council, which is tasked with handling security in the capital, consolidates its grip just 2-1/2 weeks after the fall of Colonel Qaddafi.

"So Western intelligence agencies have been calling us for information about the SAMs; [but] they're not too interested in the stuff that's going to hurt the Libyans, which is what's still here to loot," said Bouckaert.
In other words, western intel agencies prioritize in favor of protecting their own countries first. I find that reassuring though Mr. Bouckaert (unexpectedly?) does not...
"The SA-24 is on the top wish list of Iran; the US tried to block its transfer from Russia to [Venezuelan President Hugo] Chavez because they were afraid it was going to get into Iranian hands a few years ago," he adds. US reporting from that 2009 sale also emphasized the dangers of the SA-24 being passed on by the anti-American Mr. Chavez, to boost FARC rebels in Colombia or drug lords in Mexico.

At an education ministry book-storage and printing facility in southern Tripoli that was turned into a makeshift weapons depot, the long green shipping crates for the shoulder-fired SA-24 -- along with crates that once contained older versions, the SA-7 and SA-14 -- were found empty. It is adjacent to a Khamis Brigade base commanded by and named after one of Qaddafi's sons.

The SA-24s shipped to Libya apparently can't be shoulder-fired without a different trigger, and must be mounted on a truck, an unnamed senior official of the Russian KBM Machine-building design bureau told Aviation Week last March.
So the Iranians will be on the black market next for triggers. In the meantime, we've finally found a use for disposable Ford F-150s...
Details of different shipments of SAMs showed that thousands of such missiles remain unaccounted for. The boxes were mixed with stack after stack of heavy ordnance -- 120mm mortar shells, 125mm projectiles, and wire-guided anti-tank rounds among them.

Anti-Qaddafi forces had already taken portions of this stockpile for their own use, shortly after Tripoli fell to rebels, according to a young man who lives nearby. Last week, 10 of the SA-7s were seen on an anti-Qaddafi vehicle -- the clue that led HRW to this site.

Across the street on the edge of a sandy field, loyalist forces had also tucked away some 12,000 mines -- many of them stacked in crates along the wall and concealed with camouflage netting. On Wednesday, a day after being alerted by HRW, men working for the NTC lifted crates into two large trucks for removal.
Posted by:Steve White

#10  Massive surprise and shock. But, Obama knew what he was doing, he's soooooooooo smart about everything. This must be a mistake.
Posted by: NoMoreBS   2011-09-08 19:45  

#9  Not for long, I suspect....
Posted by: Uncle Phester   2011-09-08 19:45  

#8  It'll all be OK, I'm sure we'll be safe on planes because the TSA will be microwaving our children and/or groping their privates.
Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain   2011-09-08 16:06  

#7  They'll probably end up in Afghanistan too. What better way for Islamic governments to deniably put the hurt on Americans than with these missing SAMs?
Posted by: Eohippus Phater7165   2011-09-08 15:57  

#6  Â I can see Egypt taking a lot of this stuff to funnel to the PA for use against Israel.

Already happening, DarthVader. An unnamed, new type of missile was reported shot off from the Gaza Strip toward Israel the other day. I should have posted the article, but I didn't catch the implication.v
Posted by: trailing wife   2011-09-08 15:18  

#5  Happy, happy! Joy, joy!
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2011-09-08 14:19  

#4  "If these weapons fall in the wrong hands, all of North Africa will be a no-fly zone"

Mr. Bouckaert has very limited vision.

This is also why and when, however unpalatable, one puts troops on the ground.
Posted by: Pappy   2011-09-08 12:24  

#3  I would think another likely buyer would be Horn of Africa, pirates and al-shabaab/etc wanting some anti-air, perhaps Yemen and Nigeria, all in demand and fairly local. Then north across the Med is also backyard territory...

I see an opportunity to track to routes of supplies and build a case to arrest cartels misplaced morality grouped human organizations. /FAT
Posted by: swksvolFF   2011-09-08 11:41  

#2  I can see Egypt taking a lot of this stuff to funnel to the PA for use against Israel.
Posted by: DarthVader   2011-09-08 11:27  

#1  We never seem to be able to avoid stepping on cow pies. Where was the CIA advance Indications and Warnings to Obama regarding post-conflict proliferation?
Posted by: Besoeker   2011-09-08 11:21  

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