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Africa North
Four F-16s delivered to Muslim Brotherhood Egypt
2013-04-12
Four more F-16 fighter jets left the U.S. on Thursday headed for Egypt as part of a foreign aid package that has generated controversy given the political upheaval in the Mideast country.
These are four of the twenty promised to Egypt under the arms deal we noted earlier this year. Champ is going ahead with deliveries despite the outcry, and despite common sense...
A source who works on the naval air base in Fort Worth, Texas, confirmed to FoxNews.com the departure of the state-of-the-art fighter planes. The new shipment brings the total number of F-16 jets given to Egypt this year to 12. Eight more F-16s will be given to the Egyptian government before the end of the year as part of a billion-dollar foreign aid deal signed in 2010 with then-Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak, a longtime U.S. ally. The U.S. also will send 200 Abrams tanks.

Critics, including several in Congress, say it doesn't make sense to follow through with the package. While current Egyptian President Mohammad Morsi has toned down his rhetoric since his election last summer, in 2010 Morsi attacked Obama for supporting Israel.

"One American president after another -- and most recently, that Obama -- talks about American guarantees for the safety of the Zionists in Palestine," Morsi, then a leader of the Muslim Brotherhood, said on Egyptian TV in reaction to Obama's 2009 speech in Cairo. "[Obama] was very clear when he uttered his empty words on the land of Egypt. He uttered many lies."

Some in Congress worry that the F-16 gift betrays America's friendship with Israel.
"Friends don't send U.S. taxpayer- funded F-16s and tanks to the enemies of their friends," Rep. Gohmert, R-Texas, told FoxNews.com.

The State Department declined to comment on the specific movement of any military equipment, but officials released a statement to FoxNews.com defending the United States' "strategic" ties to Egypt, "with whom we have a long history of close political-military relations that have benefited key U.S. interests."

The statement also noted that U.S. military cooperation supports the peace treaty between Egypt and Israel.
How much longer will that be around?
"The Egyptian military has long had cordial ties with Israel
...not withstanding the mild disagreements with their bestest friends in 1948, 1956, 1967 and 1973...
and is a pillar of support for the peace treaty within the Egyptian Government," the statement said. "We are committed to maintaining Israel's Qualitative Military Edge in the region. These F-16s represent no threat to Israel because Israel has more advanced aircraft and weapons than the F-16."

But some security experts say that aid to Egypt will simply prop up a bad regime.

"U.S. aid packages limit, rather than leverage, Washington's ability to extract meaningful concessions from Cairo on democratic reform. Sending arms conveys a tacit indifference to Morsi's authoritarian tendencies, including its harassment and intimidation of regime critics," said Malou Innocent, a foreign policy analyst at the Cato Institute.

She added that America also can't afford the spending.

"American taxpayers have been Egypt's major arms supplier, subsidizing the supply of F-16 jet fighters, M1A1 Abrams battle tanks, armored personnel carriers, Apache helicopters, and hundreds of millions of dollars in surplus military equipment."

In addition, the U.S. government also paid at least $83 million to upgrade facilities and provide training at the Egyptian military's "Cairo West Air Base" to accommodate the new F-16s.
That's new news.
Some security experts say the spending is worth it.

"I think this is the only way to ensure the stability of the Camp David Accords (the peace treaty between Egypt and Israel.) Is that worth it? Yes," Anthony Cordesman, who has served as a consultant for the State and Defense departments and who holds the Burke Chair in Strategy at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, told FoxNews.com. The planes themselves, he said, are less important than the message they send.
"Canceling a few F-16s isn't going to be a game changer in itself, but it'd change perceptions in the Arab world. They would see how quickly the U.S. could turn away when there's a crisis," Cordesman said.
No, they'd see the U.S. turn away from a Muslim Brotherhood nutter. That might deliver a useful message...
The statement from State Department officials also warned that revoking the aid could have disastrous consequences.

"Delaying or canceling deliveries of the F-16 aircraft would undermine our efforts to address our regional security interests through a more capable Egyptian military and send a damaging and lasting signal to Egypt's civilian and military leadership as we work toward a democratic transition in this key Middle Eastern state," the statement said.
Okay, I'll bite. Explain to me what the security threats are to Egypt today. Israel? Israel has a peace treaty with Egypt, and Israel has other worries. Last thing they're going to do is attack Egypt. Israel would be happy to see the border with Egypt remain quiet for the next hundred years. Libya? Libya is defanged. Sudan? Sudan has a joke of a military, good only for oppressing Darfur. Cyprus? Broke. Mauritania? Too far away.

So explain to me what the key regional security interest is such that Egypt needs, today, right now, more F-16s and Abrams tanks. Egypt has plenty of military hardware; most of it now is western-made and apparently western-maintained. And according to the Egyptian generals, the mighty Egyptian army and air force is ready to defend the motherland, you betcha. So tell me what the threat is. I'm waiting.
Posted by:Steve White

#6  She should have licked the door handle on the way down the ladder.
Posted by: gorb   2013-04-12 22:52  

#5  When I was stationed @ Pax River, Strike Aircraft, we had a Hornet that belonged to the Suadis doing some testing. Seems our pilot was of the non-male variety and when the Saudis found out they had a major fit. not only did we have to swap out the seat cushions, we had to install a brand new seat. maybe we should have some of the female pilots ferry these things over to the MB and then after tossing down their flight bags, just walk away and let them figure out how to uncontaminate the seats. you know, cuz they got gurl cooties all over them.
Posted by: USN, Ret.   2013-04-12 18:41  

#4  How much flight practice are the pilots going to get, given that Egypt is experiencing a severe fuel shortage? Not of airplane fule as such, but overall...
Posted by: trailing wife   2013-04-12 15:31  

#3  This mess was always seen vis a vis the USSR. Is someone threatening to introduce the Chinesse to the situation unless the baksheesh keeps coming?
Posted by: AlanC   2013-04-12 14:49  

#2  Explain to me what the security threats are to Egypt today.

MB. The only 'in country' counter is the military. How do you make them play the game without being played yourself? [see - Benghazi] It can be done, but the idiots in the beltway aren't likely to be able to pull it off. Then again the irony would be for The One to be the manipulating [as though he isn't domestically - sarc] imperialist that he's denounced America for being for most of his aggrieved socialist life.
Posted by: Procopius2k   2013-04-12 11:52  

#1  Okay, I'll bite. Explain to me what the security threats are to Egypt today.

Hard boyz in the Sinai?
Posted by: Ebbang Uluque6305   2013-04-12 11:29  

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