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Feds tell Web firms to turn over user account passwords
2013-07-26
[NEWS.CNET] The U.S. government has demanded that major Internet companies divulge users' stored passwords, according to two industry sources familiar with these orders, which represent an escalation in surveillance techniques that has not previously been disclosed.

If the government is able to determine a person's password, which is typically stored in encrypted form, the credential could be used to log in to an account to peruse confidential correspondence or even impersonate the user. Obtaining it also would aid in deciphering encrypted devices in situations where passwords are reused.

"I've certainly seen them ask for passwords," said one Internet industry source who spoke on condition of anonymity. "We push back."

A second person who has worked at a large Silicon Valley company confirmed that it received legal requests from the federal government for stored passwords. Companies "really heavily scrutinize" these requests, the person said. "There's a lot of 'over my dead body.'"

Some of the government orders demand not only a user's password but also the encryption algorithm and the so-called salt, according to a person familiar with the requests. A salt is a random string of letters or numbers used to make it more difficult to reverse the encryption process and determine the original password. Other orders demand the secret question codes often associated with user accounts.

A Microsoft
...producers of Windows, Office, and the late Microsoft Bob, contributed $852,167 to the 2008 Obama campaign...
spokesperson would not say whether the company has received such requests from the government. But when asked whether Microsoft would divulge passwords, salts, or algorithms, the spokesperson replied: "No, we don't, and we can't see a circumstance in which we would provide it."

Google
...contributed $814,540 to the 2008 Obama campaign...
also declined to disclose whether it had received requests for those types of data. But a spokesperson said the company has "never" turned over a user's encrypted password, and that it has a legal team that frequently pushes back against requests that are fishing expeditions or are otherwise problematic. "We take the privacy and security of our users very seriously," the spokesperson said.

Apple, Yahoo, Facebook, AOL, Verizon, AT&T, Time Warner
...contributed $624,618 to the 2008 Obama campaign...
Cable, and Comcast did not respond to queries about whether they have received requests for users' passwords and how they would respond to them.

Richard Lovejoy, a director of the Opera Software subsidiary that operates FastMail, said he doesn't recall receiving any such requests but that the company still has a relatively small number of users compared with its larger rivals. Because of that, he said, "we don't get a high volume" of U.S. government demands.

The FBI declined to comment.
Posted by:Fred

#5  I recursively hash the password many times.

I have NO CLUE what my users passwords are.

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms174415.aspx

I've seen one company (spideroak) hash on the browser using JS, so it's never transmitted, v clever.
Posted by: Bright Pebbles   2013-07-26 08:58  

#4  P2k, Warrants?? We don't need no steenking warrants!!

Due to the current level of my cynicism I am not surprised by this. I do think that we are getting closer to the point where the liberty tree will get watered.
Posted by: AlanC   2013-07-26 08:28  

#3  legal requests

Warrants? They have to be filed someplace. As much as the bureaucrats, to include LE, may like to say 'such and such a law' gives me authority, if it's not Constitutional, it's not legit. The problem is latter when they try the old "I was just obeying orders" defense. It'll mean something when they're caught up to later and their pension disappears. Particularly middle managers who don't have 'friends' to take care of them in their old age.
Posted by: Procopius2k   2013-07-26 08:11  

#2  A second person who has worked at a large Silicon Valley company confirmed that it received legal requests from the federal government for stored passwords. Companies "really heavily scrutinize" these requests, the person said. "There's a lot of 'over my dead body.'"
Posted by: Redneck Jim   2013-07-26 01:10  

#1  Hallo I am calling from the govermet we know what you thnk, and we approve.

(Mis-speinngs intentional, speaking in a thick accent, probably Indian)
Posted by: Redneck Jim   2013-07-26 01:05  

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