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Olde Tyme Religion
Cardinal George says same-sex marriage is irrational
2013-08-30
[SUNTIMES] You might expect the leader of the Catholic Church in Chicago to explain his opposition to same-sex marriage on the basis of his religious tenets, but Cardinal Francis George says that's secondary.

"This is first of all a rational issue before it's a faith issue," the cardinal told me in an interview this week. "That is, it's nature that tells us what marriage is, that in marriage, men and women aren't interchangeable."

"We didn't invent marriage. The church didn't invent marriage. The state didn't invent marriage. Nature gives us marriage. The Chinese are not Americans, and they're not Catholic. They know what marriage is. Where did that come from?" George asked rhetorically.
Posted by:Fred

#13  So Cardinal George doesn't even know his own religion's dogma? Small wonder the catholic church has had so many problems under his generation's leadership.
Posted by: Sning Snerens5371   2013-08-30 19:10  

#12  Nature gave them marriage, humans not so much.
Posted by: swksvolFF   2013-08-30 14:19  

#11  I'm not. I'm a mathematical modeler.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2013-08-30 12:28  

#10  Didn't realize you were a birder g(r)om.
Enjoy this excellent short vid.
Posted by: Besoeker   2013-08-30 12:03  

#9  Nature gives us marriage?

Yep. I ain't saying there isn't a lot of extrapair paternity
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2013-08-30 11:56  

#8  The ability to procreate is not relevant. Infants of right wing, radical fundamentalists the undeserving will be assigned to them by the State.
Posted by: Besoeker   2013-08-30 11:04  

#7  Isn't giving 'family' tax breaks to those who do not procreate the next generation of tax payers a bit irrational?
Posted by: Procopius2k   2013-08-30 10:59  

#6  Nature gives us marriage? You know what buddy, there is plenty I have given up to honor my half of the agreement - you know how long its been since hot wings at noon on Sunday?

Marriage is a level of accomplishment met by both sides according to a set of rules based upon the values of, in this case, the Bible.

No problem with gays (where I grew up, that was the self-identified word so deal with it, its not a slog) - friends and associates were like everyone else, young dumb and some even looking for long term love. The purpose of marriage is a long term contract between a man and a woman in order to raise a family. Find love and be productive, but giving yourself the title of married, or worse forcing others to grant that title under penalty of law, is no more appropriate than myself granting me the title of Chef or Soldier. Be a couple, be happy, quit being vain and coveting titles not earned. I understand Partnership or Union is not very sexy, find a title and go with it, so long as its not somebody else's, tax deals are with the government not the church, and you sure would not like it if by driving to New York I would call myself a taxi driver.
Posted by: swksvolFF   2013-08-30 10:24  

#5  Same sex marriage is not irrational in that the whole purpose is to suck money and privs out of the gov't and tax payer.

Thus admits my same sex married sister in law when asked what the big deal is.
Posted by: AlanC   2013-08-30 07:44  

#4  Sorry, I was busy yesterday. Around 2pm ex-Mrs Grom called me and spake thus "You know what your son did?"
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2013-08-30 06:36  

#3  You must have missed this from yesterday g(r)om. You've got some splainin to do. :-)
Posted by: Besoeker   2013-08-30 06:02  

#2  And he's not a Jesuit
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2013-08-30 05:58  

#1  Natural Law. Go back and read Teh Theology of the Body, by Blessed Pop John Paul II. Its quite a scholarly exposition on Catholic theology and natural law as it applies to sexuality - as well as the usual euthanasiam abortion and other topics people usually haer about from the Church.

FYI, the doctrine is that Homosexuals can be good Christians, same as any other unmarried person. Just be chaste within your station.

But homosexual acts? Those are disordered acts, and not part of natural law. Or at least that's the argument basis that Cardinal George is attempting to draw upon.

Also, Marriage is a sacrament - not something we invented, by definition "The sacraments are efficacious signs of grace, instituted by Christ and entrusted to the church, by which divine life is dispensed to us. The visible rites by which the sacraments are celebrated signify and make present the graces proper to each sacrament. They bear fruit in those who receive them with the required dispositions." For instance, the Sacraments of Vocation are Holy Orders, and Marriage. In the Catholic viewpoint, these are given by God, not made by man.

Pretty simple at its base: biologically speaking a male is a male, and a female is a female, and they each have their role in continuing the species. But it gets complex in a hurry. And Cardinal George is in over his head, I think
Posted by: OldSpook   2013-08-30 01:07  

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