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| Obama tells Congress U.S. deploying up to 275 troops to Iraq |
| 2014-06-17 |
| Posted by:Anguper Hupomosing9418 |
| #21 Most Analysts say 'tis yet another Bammer minimalist action??? * See also DRUDGEREPORT > [WSJ.com] DICK CHENEY AND LIZ CHENY: THE COLLAPSING OBAMA DOCTRINE. ARTIC = denotes how widout US Preeminience, there is no World Order [OWG-NWO?]. * BHARAT RAKSHAK > [Guardian.UK] US + IRAN BEGIN IRAQ TALKS, BUT REJECT MILITARY ALLIANCE. |
| Posted by: JosephMendiola 2014-06-17 20:23 |
| #20 Time for the 'Miss me yet?' Billboard featuring Hussein (Saddam, not Barack?) |
| Posted by: Glenmore 2014-06-17 17:48 |
| #19 It seems Obama thinks he's fighting the Persians... |
| Posted by: bbrewer126 2014-06-17 16:54 |
| #18 Almost two troops per acre of embassy ground... |
| Posted by: Pappy 2014-06-17 16:28 |
| #17 If Champ had any intention of assisting the Iraqi's, he would not have put the 275 troops under command & control of the Ambassador. Some type of special Joint Task Force would have been established. My suspicion is the 275 are the ADVON for a Non-Combatant Evacuation (NEO), nothing more. |
| Posted by: Besoeker 2014-06-17 16:22 |
| #16 #12 .. "Dar al-harb, the House of War, who remain outside the Islamic frontier, and with whom therefore there is in principle, a canonically obligatory perpetual state of war until the whole world is either converted or subjugated. " is correct. So: while Dar al-Harb is killing itself why should we interfere? |
| Posted by: irishrageboy 2014-06-17 16:16 |
| #15 mossomo, on the larger global jihad issue, I am totally with you. But our willingness to address that in the scope and ferocity required will not happen until we take another major hit. It is too far away, too unreal for most in this country to even imagine and our local religious leadership don't seem to care much about the Christians around the world who are slaughtered each day. Impolite to raise objections about other religions don't ya know. |
| Posted by: remoteman 2014-06-17 15:24 |
| #14 If we'd stayed and forced a Status of Forces Agreement that we could work with, that would be one thing (ISIL would not be in the position they are now, and, perhaps, I'm dreaming, but Maliki would have been curbed), but at this point I'm not sure what we will gain. ISIL is going to run out of steam before long. I doubt they have the organization to rule that much territory and should fall to infighting quickly. Maliki and our president are turds for letting this happen, but happen it did. If we go back in, we lose with almost any plausible outcome. |
| Posted by: remoteman 2014-06-17 15:17 |
| #13 We are not entirely blameless for the current situation. Our missteps in Libya and our fumbling in Syria helped to arm ISIS. Not to mention our freckless foreign policy. We can ignore it, but that doesn't stop the genocide. Vatican Radio: Mosul now emptied of Christians, says Archbishop. Nor will it stop global jiahad. |
| Posted by: mossomo 2014-06-17 14:53 |
| #12 We can dither, but in the end - convert, submit or die. We can chose the time and place or allow them to. Because: Dar al-Islam and the Dar al-harb: The House of Islam vs The House of War; Jiahad is Holy War, a divine right. Dar al-harb, the House of War, who remain outside the Islamic frontier, and with whom therefore there is in principle, a canonically obligatory perpetual state of war until the whole world is either converted or subjugated. We are at War with Global Jiahad. We're best served if we do not forget. We may avoid it for a time. But thinking this is simply a Middle East ploblem that will stay contained are forgetting lessons learned. Consider: We are watching the largest mobilization in a generation of volunteers traveling abroad to join a war. An estimated 11,000 foreign fighters have been mobilized in Syria, according to a just-published study by the International Centre for the Study of Radicalisation and Political Violence (PDF). More than a quarter of those combatants are from Western countries, mostly from Britain, France, Germany, Sweden and Belgium. Australians, Canadians and U.S. citizen also have joined the ranks. They pray for our destruction everyday. Multiple times. It's not just prayers, they actualize plans. Allowing jiahadi groups to fester, allows them to grow in strength. We are already late to the party and should have struck their bases months ago. The massacres and Civil War we're seeing are of no surprise and were telegraphed. |
| Posted by: mossomo 2014-06-17 14:51 |
| #11 @6 - So lemme get this straight: We like the Sunnis in Syria but not Iraq Actually, as Winston well knew, it was only four years since Oceania had been at war with Eastasia and in alliance with Eurasia. But that was merely a piece of furtive knowledge, which he happened to possess because his memory was not satisfactorily under control. |
| Posted by: mossomo 2014-06-17 14:50 |
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| Posted by: Besoeker 2014-06-17 14:43 |
| #9 This whole "Send 300 Marines" thing is eerily reminiscent of Beirut. |
| Posted by: 49 Pan 2014-06-17 13:37 |
| #8 Concur with #4. |
| Posted by: TopRev 2014-06-17 12:16 |
| #7 Concur. |
| Posted by: TopRev 2014-06-17 12:15 |
| #6 So lemme get this straight: We like the Sunnis in Syria but not Iraq, is that it? Oh, but there were other Sunnis in Syria who were not ISIL? How's that working? I'm guessing not so well. Who do the Soddies like? But then we might need Iranians to help us in Iraq? What will the Soddies think? I'm sorry about those Iraqis who believed us. We gave them a chance and they blew it. Next time they'll know better and maybe we will too...unless we have another dumbass president like Obama...or McCain...or Hildebeast...or Bush. I believed Bush then. Fool me once. Well, after 9/11 we had to smack somebody. But this time I'll pass. |
| Posted by: Ebbang Uluque6305 2014-06-17 11:56 |
| #5 Why is Obama letting Congress know now? He had never liked doing that before. Lord, things are bad when you distrust the President as much as the enemy. |
| Posted by: JohnQC 2014-06-17 10:58 |
| #4 I respectfully disagree with Amb. Bolton. Too many decent Iraqis were willing to believe us; too many decent Iraqis just want to build their country. They need one more chance at it. And second, this matter is correctly seen as a test of will and fortitude. Our country needs to rise above our current president in that regard. |
| Posted by: Steve White 2014-06-17 10:41 |
| #3 I recommend getting EVERYBODY out of there as quickly as possible. Darth Bolton is right. Let them fight it out on their own. |
| Posted by: Besoeker 2014-06-17 09:43 |
| #2 Remember it's spelled f.l.a.c.c.i.d not flexible. |
| Posted by: Procopius2k 2014-06-17 09:13 |
| #1 Is he deploying them or trading them with the enemy? |
| Posted by: Airandee 2014-06-17 08:06 |