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| Polish minister says US ties worthless |
| 2014-06-23 |
| [NEWS.YAHOO] A Polish magazine said Sunday it has obtained recordings of a conversation in which Foreign Minister Radek Sikorski says the country's strong alliance with the U.S. "isn't worth anything" and is "even harmful because it creates a false sense of security." In a short transcript of the conversation, a person identified as Sikorski by the magazine Wprost tells former finance minister, Jacek Rostowski, that Poles naively believe the U.S. bolsters their security. Using vulgar language, the person argues that such beliefs are nonsense, and that the Polish-U.S. alliance alienates the Russians and Germans. There has been no official confirmation that it is Sikorski who speaks in the conversation. Wprost last week set off a political storm in Poland with the release of a recording of a conversation between central bank head Marek Belka and Interior Minister Bartlomiej Sienkiewicz. In the recording the two discussed how the bank could help the governing party win re-election in 2015, an apparent violation of the bank's independence. That publication has already threatened to bring down the government of Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk, and the new recording is expected to add to the troubles. Although the latest conversation doesn't reveal any illegal actions, the strong language and opinions would likely put the foreign minister on the defensive if they are confirmed to be true. |
| Posted by:Fred |
| #14 Mama Russia weighs in ... ... * RUSSIA TODAY > POLISH FM'S ORAL SEX COMMENT SHOWS HIS POLITICAL REALISM - MOSCOW. |
| Posted by: JosephMendiola 2014-06-23 20:35 |
| #13 Not only killed the project - gave in on it to the Putin for nothing in return - he surrendered it. |
| Posted by: CrazyFool 2014-06-23 16:48 |
| #12 Bush wanted to base a European ABM defense in Poland. This would have housed US Troops. Just as US troops in the ROK are a tripwire and a guarantee of US support, so would this have been for Poland. But the 'beamer killed the project. |
| Posted by: Squinty 2014-06-23 15:25 |
| #11 Thank you for explaining, Procopius2k. |
| Posted by: trailing wife 2014-06-23 15:13 |
| #10 TW, I was referring to the old West. Somewhere around 1980 Western Europe (vs the old Soviet empire) exceeded the US in combined GDP and population, yet instead of picking up the responsibilities, choose to keep the Americans as their defense nanny at great cost to the American taxpayer so they could enjoy the benefits of redistribution. Those same nations haven't done much to readjust their budgets recently. These are first world nations. Also, while everyone has been concerned with casualties the last 10 years of the WOT, no one likewise concerned themselves with the body count in Cold War Europe due to training and on site work accidents and the usual road kill. We're not talking just handfuls. For the Poles, its all a matter of (historical) timing. They're stuck in the same place they found themselves in 1939, between Germans and Russians looking out for their own interests and gains. I suspect they find the Brits and French as useful as they were back then, unprepared to do anything beyond words. Just as America had no play in those events, if ever adults get back in charge in the Beltway again, I doubt the will or means will change that status either. After twice being dragged into European affairs in the 20th Century, it's going to be hard to convince people to do it again at great expense and commitment. |
| Posted by: Procopius2k 2014-06-23 13:52 |
| #9 Poland has been spending money to modernize and upgrade their military. And to be fair, we weren't all that dependable for Georgia, back when George W. Bush was president |
| Posted by: trailing wife 2014-06-23 13:16 |
| #8 There is an old Vietnamese saying, Radek. |
| Posted by: g(r)omgoru 2014-06-23 11:48 |
| #7 Fuck him. He's equating America to that poser in office. America fought two wars in europe. We, the United States, not Poland defeated Russia and gave them opportunity for their solidarity movement. We are weak right now, granted. We were weak before WWI and weak before WWII. Don't ever underestimate us. |
| Posted by: 49 Pan 2014-06-23 10:07 |
| #6 Polish minister says US ties worthless Bears poop in the woods and the Pope is Catholic. Maybe if some people spent their own money on their own defense instead of suckling on the American military welfare tit for generations, others would have the ability to step in and really take up the slack. This is just playing out as the old Monty Python skit 'What have the Romans ever given us'. And in the other hand was all that Euro money pumped into the American speculative paper market because it couldn't find a decent return on investment back in the home markets. That ultimately lead to the financial chaos, exploited by the usual suspects, that leaves the old welfare coffers now dry beyond much more sustainment. Oh, and the Americans have picked up that Euro disease of socialism redirecting the old republic's responsibilities of national defense with the new oligarchy's politics of robbing the Treasury to buy votes. Yep, you're on your own. Meanwhile, we have our own invasion to deal with right here in this hemisphere. Good luck. |
| Posted by: Procopius2k 2014-06-23 08:59 |
| #5 Hard to argue with. |
| Posted by: ed in texas 2014-06-23 07:24 |
| #4 OOOOOPPPSSSSIES, forgot WORLD NEWS > OBAMA: ISIS COULD POSE A "MEDIUM TO LONG-TERM THREAT" TO THE US. Clearly no Global Jihad is indicated or to be inferred, let alone a SOON-TO-BE-NUCLEAR-GLOBAL-JIHAD = "NUCLEAR ISLAM/CALIPHATE" IRONICALLY WID US, WESTERN [also read, JudeoChristian = non-Muslim/Islamic]] HELP + SUPPORT. |
| Posted by: JosephMendiola 2014-06-23 02:01 |
| #3 See also BLOOMBERG > CHENEY SAYS US HEADED FOR "BIG TROUBLE" IN TERRORISM. As due to the Bammer's refusal to recognize reality, + emphasis on withdrawing or pulling the US from that part of the world. Looks like my Ancestors + dead HUGO CHAVEZ's RED BERET, PARROT may still end up being precognitive as per the US destroying or sinking strategic Pacific islands, e.g. Guam + Other, wid "Earthquake/Tectonic Bombs" as the US falls back across the Pacific towards CONUS. * TOPIX > KERRY: "WE [us] WON'T PICK SIDES". Therein lies the OWG Globalists greatest boon, as well as its greatest danger. * REALTED GLOBAL TIMES > US WON'T TRY TO PICK IRAQ'S LEADERS: KERRY, IRAN SUPREME LEADER CONDEMNS US ROLE AS ISIS ADVANCES FURTHER. VERSUS * VOICE OF RUSSIA > OBAMA COULD BE IMPEACHED IFF ARMY [US Milfors] SENT TO IRAQ, WARNS WAR POWERS ACT AUTHOR [Paul Findley], iff he acts widout the US Congress. * SAME > TERRORISM MOST DANGEROUS MIDDLE EAST THREAT, MAY TRIGGER NEW WAVE OF [Country] DISSOLUTIONS; LAVROV. Yuuuppp, + see my Post above. * GLOBAL TIMES > OPINION: US HAS LEFT REGION WRACKED BY SECTARIAN SPLITS. D *** NG IT, MORIARITY, DON'T BE SILLY - THESE "SECTARIAN SPLITS" ARE INTENTIONAL! |
| Posted by: JosephMendiola 2014-06-23 01:55 |
| #2 Polish minister says US ties worthless Just the guy who is asleep at the switch. |
| Posted by: Squinty 2014-06-23 01:12 |
| #1 Again, unlike from Libya to the Ukraine + now possibly ISIS-threatened Iraq [Jordan?], there are several sovereign countries = US Allies andor US-leaning Neutrals in East Asia that could poten be hit at one time if "Mahanist", "post-US", #1 wannabe China decides to strike. |
| Posted by: JosephMendiola 2014-06-23 01:10 |