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Classical Mythology Too Triggering for Columbia Students |
2015-05-14 |
![]() Poor little snowflakes can't take the thought of Leda having been mounted by a swan against her will, or Persephone having been carried off by Hades and mounted against her will. Good thing Ovid didn't mention those poor Sabine ladies. Ovid’s "Metamorphoses" is a fixture of Lit Hum, but like so many texts in the Western canon, it contains triggering and offensive material that marginalizes student identities in the classroom. These texts, wrought with histories and narratives of exclusion and oppression, can be difficult to read and discuss as a survivor, a person of color, or a student from a low-income background.Is there any mythology anywhere in the world that doesn't contain "narratives of exclusion and oppression?" You wouldn't think being "persons of color" would make most of them too stupid to comprehend the concept of mythology, wouldja? Having come from a "low income background" when I was a youth I still somehow made it all the way through the Metamorphoses and I read a good part of Ars Amorata. We read Caesar's Gallic Wars in Latin I and/or II, which was also kind of heavy on "exclusion and oppression." I suppose Caesar is in the "Western canon" as well. Gilgamesh, I don't think is. There's no exclusion or oppression in that, is there? Gilgamesh is fond of "sounding the tocsin of war," and he humps the citizenry's daughters, so the gods create Enkidu, who lives with the wild animals until Gilgamesh gets him laid--there are some pretty graphic descriptions of the event in decent translations. Kinda triggery, if you've ever had a sex life that didn't feature surviving the old "fate worse than death." So Gilgamesh and Enkidu become best friends though apparently not gaily, which nowadays is politically incorrect. They go off to fight Humbaba in Lebanon. After they murder the poor monster they go back home. They might murder Humbaba's Mom, too; I can't remember. Maybe I'm thinking of Beowulf. So anyway, they get home and Enkidu dies. Gilgamesh sits with Enkidu and mourns "until a worm fell out his nose." That triggers me every time my nose runs, by golly. I always expect to see wiggly disgusting things in my hankie. And Gilgamesh comments "the sleeping and the dead, how alike they are!" Sometimes I think about that line when I go to bed and it triggers me to wonder what'll happen if I don't wake up. At my age it gets more likely with every birthday. So Gilgamesh gets kinda obsessed with the idea of death and he travels to Dilmun to talk things over with Utu-Napishtim, who's immortal--he lives in an old folks home in Bahrain right now. Utu-Napishtim 'splains to Gilgamesh that immortality ain't what it's cracked up to be and the story ends there. By the way, I checked with old Utu and he said not to worry when I go to sleep. If I don't wake up I won't notice, will I? Unless I'm playing a harp or the temperature rises dramatically. Sure glad that's not in the Western canon. The snowflakes would be dropping like flies. Best to just stick with the Koran. There's no violence in that... Um... Never mind. How about the Bhagavad Ghita? The Tale of Genji? The Upanishads? |
Posted by:Fred |
#19 I think the problem is that most classical mythology is a story of good vs. evil and right vs. wrong. After 20 some odd years of being taught moral equivalency and situational ethics, college kids don't know how to process black from white. Also an explanation for all of those agnostic types...they don't want to hear about an absolute moral code for the universe. |
Posted by: Bill Clinton 2015-05-14 20:16 |
#18 If we as a society cave in to all student demands and teach students only what they want to learn or are sensitive enough to "handle," we are going to end up with a lot of ignorant and self-absorbed people when they become grown-ups (if they ever do). |
Posted by: JohnQC 2015-05-14 19:24 |
#17 I pray to be the last living reader of nabakovs Ada. It triggered things, wasn't my fault tho, technically not allowed in that section of the library at the time |
Posted by: Shipman 2015-05-14 15:25 |
#16 It sounds like the professor should do them a favor and call for them to be committed. Obviously they are unable to function normally in society so they would probably do better in a facility where they can receive the medication, electroshock therapy and lobotomies they so desperately require. |
Posted by: Silentbrick 2015-05-14 12:14 |
#15 Remember what happened in Cambodia when delicate flowers---just like these, took over? And all the other delicate flowers outside Cambodia studiously ignored it? |
Posted by: Pappy 2015-05-14 11:23 |
#14 Rather highlights the connection between modern liberalism and mental illness. |
Posted by: Woodrow McGurque7179 2015-05-14 10:50 |
#13 These delicate flowers probably can't even handle "Love Story" Remember what happened in Cambodia when delicate flowers---just like these, took over? |
Posted by: g(r)omgoru 2015-05-14 10:45 |
#12 The other side of the bad penny of Westboro. |
Posted by: swksvolFF 2015-05-14 10:43 |
#11 This temple here is surrounded by two lines of ghost eaters. Each ghost eater eats a particular kind of ghost. I would link to some photos but they are linked to my name so... |
Posted by: 3dc 2015-05-14 10:10 |
#10 Things might have been worse. The professor might have required everyone to get nekkid as a final exam requirement as did one California professor. If you didn't get nekkid, you failed the class. Final exam requirement. A great many universities have crazy things going on in the classroom and the administration often goes along with it. In this case, it is a tyranny in the classroom. A heck of a lot of these classes and instructors have little redeeming value and nothing to do furthering education. At least in this instance at Columbia, students learn about the classics. |
Posted by: JohnQC 2015-05-14 09:56 |
#9 Poor babies will probably faint if someone tells them No. |
Posted by: CrazyFool 2015-05-14 09:38 |
#8 Hungry Ghost Festival |
Posted by: 3dc 2015-05-14 09:28 |
#7 These delicate flowers are going to die in droves if society collapses... and most likely will with these idiots helping run it. |
Posted by: DarthVader 2015-05-14 08:27 |
#6 These delicate flowers probably can't even handle "Love Story". |
Posted by: Deacon Blues 2015-05-14 08:18 |
#5 You know some years ago I came across G&S's opera "Pribcess Ida" and it was said to be "dated". Turns out these folk have been around a long time. For Example, "Florian. And there are no males whatever in those walls? Gama. None, gentlemen, excepting letter mails – And they are driven (as males often are In other large communities) by women. Why, bless my heart, she’s so particular She’ll hardly suffer Dr. Watts’s hymns – And all the animals she owns are “hers”! The ladies rise at cockcrow every morn – Cyril. Ah, then they have male poultry? Gama. Not at all, (confidentially) The crowing’s done by an accomplished hen!" And Also this, |
Posted by: Chuckles Shatle5927 2015-05-14 07:55 |
#4 Cue Quasimodo in the tower, yelling "The bells, the bells". |
Posted by: ed in texas 2015-05-14 07:35 |
#3 These texts, wrought with histories and narratives of exclusion and oppression, can be difficult to read and discuss as a survivor, a person of color, or a student from a low-income background. Current victimization narratives cannot be overshadowed by events of the distant past. No discourse, no distractions, no exceptions. 'Keep your eye on the prize.' |
Posted by: Besoeker 2015-05-14 03:31 |
#2 Well, they've their own mythology. The Goddess etc... |
Posted by: g(r)omgoru 2015-05-14 02:13 |
#1 In my version of the Gilgamesh epic it said he sat with the corpse until the "worms had fastened upon the flesh". It was the fastening that always had me worried. I mean, just how fast are these worms? |
Posted by: Anginegum Slolurt5448 2015-05-14 01:33 |