You have commented 339 times on Rantburg.

Your Name
Your e-mail (optional)
Website (optional)
My Original Nic        Pic-a-Nic        Sorry. Comments have been closed on this article.
Bold Italic Underline Strike Bullet Blockquote Small Big Link Squish Foto Photo
China-Japan-Koreas
War Clouds Over South China Sea As U.S. Declares Right To Waters And U.S. Warship Arrives At Subic
2015-05-31
[Forbes] Chinese diplomats have been on a global offensive to convey Chinese complaints. China's ambassador to the U.S., Cui Tiankai, in an interview with the Wall Street Journal, said "we have to defend the facilities on these islands and reefs" while building up "for self-defense, not for attacking others." He warned the U.S. against "attempts to replay the Cold War in Asia."

The arrival of the Shiloh at Subic Bay, where the U.S. had a base from the early days of U.S. rule over the Philippines at the beginning of the last century, showed the close coordination between the U.S. and the Philippines over defense in the South China Sea.

U.S. officials in Manila said the Shiloh would stay in Subic Bay only long enough to refuel and take on other supplies before going on patrol in nearby waters. The question was whether the Shiloh, accompanied by other vessels, including destroyers and perhaps submarines, would enter waters close to the Chinese reclamation projects. The result would, at the least, provoke a fusillade of demands for the ships to go away as well as a critical comments from the Chinese officials and the Chinese media.

For Filipinos, the question was whether the occasional use of Subic Bay for U.S. navy vessels would be a precursor to a bygone era. U.S. forces withdrew from Subic, and from Clark Air Base across the Zambales mountains, in 1991, after the Philippines refused to renew its longstanding bases agreement with the U.S. The Philippine-American alliance, however, has remained in force with U.S. troops going to the Philippines for frequent military exercises and U.S. soldiers advising Philippine troops fighting Muslim rebels on the large southern Island of Mindanao and the outlying Sulu archipelago.

In recent years the U.S. and Philippines have coordinated still more closely under a "visiting forces agreement" that has aroused widespread controversy in the Philippines.In a still greater historical irony, President Aquino goes to Japan this week in search of support -- and perhaps assistance -- for the Philippine position.

Japan has extended massive economic aid to the Philippines but has refrained from military assistance to a country that still harbors bitter memories of a Japanese occupation that lasted more than three years after Japanese forces drove out the Americans at the outset of World War II. The Americans finally retook the Philippines after some of the bloodiest urban fighting of the war in and around Manila.
Posted by:Besoeker

#6  In the original post-1945/1947 Cold War, neither the US nor the then-USSR, now Russia = Russian Federation, lost any internal sovereign or allied territories.

IT IS NO LONGER THE CASE IN THIS ERA OF US-N-ONLY-US, STRATEGIC "UNILATERAL OR SELF-RETREAT/
FALLBACK IS WORLD PEACE".

A "Cold War" in this age of US-led, Anti-US OWG-NWO + Globalism = DOTH NOTTETH MEANETH THAT THE US OR ANY OTHER COUNTRY GETS TO KEEP ITS HISTORICAL OR 20TH CENTURY TERRITORIAL INTEGRITY OR COHESION.
Posted by: JosephMendiola   2015-05-31 23:57  

#5  More Net News this AM ...

* CHINESE MILITARY FORUM > [Want China Times] WEAPONS SENT TO HAINAN FOR POTENTIAL [US-China]SOUTH CHINA SEA CONFLICT.

* SAME > [Guardian.UK] SOUTH CHINA SEA ISLANDS ARE CHINESE PLAN [Plot] TO MILITARIZE ZONE [ADIZ/ADZ]: CLAIMS US.

Beijing is officially denying any plan for SCS ADIZ, thus of course ...

* DEFENCE.PK/FORUMS > BEIJING: SCS AIR IDENTIFICATION ZONE HINGES ON SECURITY THREATS.

PLA Deputy Chief of Staff ADM. Sun Jianguo.

* JAPAN TIMES > SOUTH CHINA SEA DISPUTES TESTS CHINA'S PEACEFUL RISE.

Actually, IMO AFAIC this is more a litmus test for US-LED, ANTI-US OWG-NWO + Globalism, I.E. WHETHER US-WORLD GLOBALISTS + US SUPERPOWER CAN ACCEPT CHINA, RUSSIA, + IRAN, OTHER? AS SO-CALLED "PAR", "US-STYLE","CO-SUPERPOWERS" VEE THE US GIVING EAST ASIA + WESTPAC = 1/2 OF THE PACIFIC TO CHINA.

ITS THE US + OWG GLOBALISM'S PREMISES THAT IS BEING TESTED, NOT CHINA, ETAL.

See below ...

* MANILA TIMES > AQUINO: THE FIRST PRESIDENT TO LOSE [sovereign = give up?] PHILIPPINE TERRITORY.

Scarborough Shoal aka Panatag aka Bajo de Masinloc.

ARTIC = As long as CHINA does NOT open fire on Philippines andor US Aircraft-Ships, IIUC expec iff outside the 12-mile territorial limits under the UNCLOS, THE US-PHILIPPINE SECURITY TREATY MAY NOT BE APPLICABLE OR ENFORCEABLE IN THE US VIEW HENCE CHINA WILL KEEP ITS ISLANDS + SCS SOVEREIGNTY.

PHILIPPINES, VEUTNAM, ASEAN = SSSHHH ... CCCC LOSER.

Ah yes, the OH-SO-PCORRECT-DENIABLE "LEGALISM" BY WHICH THE US CAN HELP CHINA [= Iran, Russia]RISE TO PROPER OWG CO-SUPERPOWER STATUS WHILE PRETENDING TO ITS ALLIES + WORLD + MAINSTREAM AMERIKA IT ISN'T-N-DIDN'T-N-WOULDN'T [but it did].

AQUINO = OBAMA = LOSS OF 1/2 PACIFIC = GUAM-WESTPAC? KWAJALEIN? HAWAII???
Posted by: JosephMendiola   2015-05-31 23:48  

#4  As per CNN SUNDAY AM > US SecDEf Ashton Carter = repor has demanded a SERIOUS, IMMEDIATE, + LASTING HALT to its reclamation activities in the SCS.

CHINA has to review + decide whether its GeoPol ambitions = "Manifest Destiny" is worth risking war throughout the East Asia Region, as the SCS is only of several fronts for PLA strategic access into the Far Pacific + IOR.

Iff China backs down, IMO it does so knowing that its National or Geopol, "post-US" agenda will likely become more difficult or harder to achieve as US Regional Allies become that much more Politically, Econ, + Militarily stronger over time - INSTEAD OF FEWER OR NO RIVALS FOR "SOLE" LEADERSHIP IN EAST ASIA + IOR, E.G. PROPOSED [China-led]"ASIAN/EAST ASIAN "UNION", CHINA INSTEAD WILL FACE SEVERAL OR MANY RIVALS FOR "SOLE" LEADERSHIP IN FUTURE TIME.

China may not see or achieve its National or Geopol agenda for many years ro decades to come

Again, the Philippines or Northern Philippines is on the direct-line, "strategic direction/route of attack" from China/PLA-controlled HAINAN to GUAM including CNMI + Micronesia. IFF CHINA DESIRES TO PREVENT OR DEFEAT ANY USDOD-Navy INTERVENTION FORCE FROM ARRIVING IN-THEATER, IT HAS TO FIGHT OR DETER SUCH US MILFORS O-T-H ASAP AMAP AFAP ALAP = "OVER THERE", NOT WAIT UNTIL SUCH US MILFORS ARRIVE OR GET CLOSE.

BE IT THE SCS, ANDOR THE EAST CHINA SEA [ECS] AGZ JAPAN + SOKOR [but espec Asia #1 Japan], CHINA'S PRIORITY WILL BE THE CONQUEST OR SUBORDINATION OF TAIWAN.

China must decide - CONCEDE, OR WAGE WAR???
Posted by: JosephMendiola   2015-05-31 20:14  

#3  Get the White House's ear, sell them more coal. If they really believe their warmist rhetoric, then rising sea levels should solve the problem. If it doesn't, we'll still make money.
Posted by: Procopius2k   2015-05-31 09:26  

#2  There will shortly be the sound of an explosion, which will be the release of years of pent up partying being suddenly turned loose at Subic.
Posted by: ed in texas   2015-05-31 07:53  

#1  Wunderbar.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2015-05-31 02:02  

00:00