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Home Front: Politix
It's a Much Smaller GOP Race than Debate Stage Suggests
2015-12-16
[WEEKLYSTANDARD] Tuesday's Republican presidential debate in Las Vegas is the final GOP primary debate of 2015. With about a month and a half before the first primary contest--the Iowa caucuses on February 1--it's become clear the field of plausible contenders is much smaller than the 13 Republicans who will debate in two separate events Tuesday night. It's possible December 15 will be the last time Republican voters see most of the whole band together before the forthcoming breakup. So which candidates should be cut loose after tonight?

Let's begin with the first event, the "undercard" debate: future debate organizers should make a New Year's resolution to scrap it in the months ahead. The undercard debates have had some utility in 2015. Two main-stage debaters Tuesday night, Carly Fiorina and Chris Christie, have spent one debate each on the kids' stage, giving both candidates a much-needed sense of urgency to perform well.

But the undercard has outlived its usefulness, and Tuesday's participants--Lindsey Graham
... the endangered South Carolina RINO...
, Mike Huckabee, George Pataki, and Rick Santorum
...unsuccessful candidate for president and former U.S. Senator from Pennsylvania. He was a lawyer before becoming the Representative for suburban Pittsburgh in 1991. He lost his Senate seat in 2006 to Bob Casey, a Democrat machine politician and political dynast. Santorum is a social conservative who thinks the rest of the country is, too...
--are polling so poorly they barely register as blips in the Real Clear Politics averages of national and early state polls. Onetime undercarders Rick Perry and Bobby Jindal recognized they were going nowhere in the presidential race and got out. It's up to each candidate himself--and their donor(s)--whether he should quit the campaigns, but the TV networks ought to do their part to encourage our hapless undercarders by dropping the increasingly useless JV debates.

Meanwhile,
...back at the buffalo wallow, Yellow Wolf clutched at his chest and fell from his horse...
there are a couple of candidates performing way below their status as main-stage debaters--chiefly Kentucky senator Rand Paul, whose hide was saved from the undercard by the generous folks at CNN. Paul is leading a libertarian movement in the Republican party that's atrophied away in the same way his poll numbers have. His best position is in Iowa, where he's been stalled out since August at below four percent support. Paul is simultaneously running for reelection to his Senate seat. In the unlikely event he delivers an all-star performance Tuesday night and prompts a stampede of supporters to bolt from Ted Cruz, he's likely to spend the next 10 months campaigning in his old Kentucky home.

The same might be said for Carly Fiorina, who burst onto the main stage in September after the only breakout performance on the undercard stage in August. Fiorina's spurt of support has sputtered out, however, and she's in Rand-Paul territory in most of the poll averages. Like Paul, she doesn't have an early state to hold out for. Fiorina's polling best in New Hampshire, at an average of 4.7 percent, but that puts her behind 7 other candidates. Without a compelling message beyond her ability to skewer Hillary Clinton
... sometimes described as For a good time at 3 a.m. call Hillary and at other times as Mrs. Bill, never as Another Elihu Root ...
as perhaps none of the male Republican candidates could, it's hard to see a reason for her candidacy, or her appearance on the debate stage, after December.
Posted by:Fred

#11  Drop Christie and we have a match. I like him, but he won't fly nationally. I want Fiorino to break out and surge but doubt it will happen.
Posted by: Whiskeymike    2015-12-16 23:37  

#10  Crusader, my list of 'viable candidates' is slight longer at this point --

Trump, Cruz, Rubio, Fiorina, Christie.

These are (in my estimation) the only ones who can get 3% or more of the vote.

Bush? Gone. Paul? Gone. Kasich? Never-wuzzer.

Now by February it likely will be that Fiorina and Christie are out as well.
Posted by: Steve White   2015-12-16 15:11  

#9  Some of you are probably old enough to remember when a 'dark horse' came out of the shadows at a deadlocked convention and was accorded the nomination. That's back when the 'media' were reporters, not shapers of sh .. fecal matter.
Posted by: Bobby   2015-12-16 13:27  

#8  At this point, its Cruz, Rubio, and Trump. Everyone else is just cluttering up the discussion. The sooner the rest wake up to that reality the sooner we can discuss where to go from there.
Posted by: Crusader   2015-12-16 12:52  

#7  I'm all for dropping Bush after last night. It's his money, not his positions or charisma, that keep him in it. Pathetic. Can't imagine anyone continuing to invest in this failure.

Christie might make a good Attorney General. He'd certainly be a refreshing change from Holder/Lynch.
Posted by: Ebbang Uluque6305   2015-12-16 12:20  

#6  Sanders would be jimmuh carter on steroids...dangerously stupid.
Posted by: Ebbang Uluque6305   2015-12-16 12:15  

#5  Hillary is an evil, lying sack whereas Sanders is just a Socialist doufas who believes what he says--he seems to be honest about what he is.
Posted by: JohnQC   2015-12-16 10:04  

#4  Let's look at the record, Silentbrick.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2015-12-16 03:11  

#3  Actually Grog, Hillary is better than Bernie Sanders, who plans on shutting down all offshore drilling, our nuclear power plants, etc. He also wants to mandate 65mpg minimum on all vehicles. Yes, it can get worse than the Hildabeast
Posted by: Silentbrick   2015-12-16 03:06  

#2  Anyone is better than Hillary, but---beyond that---as long as neither Walker, nor Perry, are in---who cares?
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2015-12-16 01:28  

#1  Why do they still have the undercard debate? Why were half of those people on the main stage sucking up the air of the leading candidates?

Candidates need to see reality and step aside, stop wasting times, fogging up the field, and burning money.
Posted by: rjschwarz   2015-12-16 00:09  

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