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Fifth Column
Anarachists reflect on their defeat in the streets of Berkeley
2017-04-19
[Reddit] The troubling implications of the conflict in Berkley today.

I have seen quite a bit of media that has come out of Berkeley today, including watching some of a live stream, and it is very troubling.

The right was able to hold their own to a large degree against antifascists, in one of the most radical metropolitan areas in the country. They gave as good as they got, and they were able to keep a presence in the streets for hours.

Everything that we have vocalized about the Trump presidency, that it has mobilized racists and fascists, that it emboldens them, that it allows them to present their bigotry as simply another political opinion, is coming true.

In the aftermath of this event, It is time for some serious reflection. Now is not the time to sugar coat the truth, to revel in the feeling of success of a clean punch to a Nazi's face, but rather to take a step back and ask what organizational steps can take place to stop this from happening again. What tactics can we use to disrupt their events, even when there are similar numbers to our own? What differences must we put down, and alliances we need to create, in the resistance to fascism?

My thoughts are with our comrades in the Bay who were injured today. The highest level of respect to you.

Bash the Fash.

Now more than ever.

Response from one commenter:
There's nothing at stake for antifa besides their social media profiles. No one getting hauled into prison camps, no rights being infringed for them, the 'nazi' are just pretend nazis, the little rebel costumes and all that shit don't hide what everyone knows they are. They're kids, mostly weak, many female, college drop outs, many paid or doing it for college credit. You can hope for better outcomes but you can't change the fact that under it all there is no compelling message besides 'take selfies, wreck stuff'. The other side has their freedom to fight for and many of them have had years of military training to do just that.
Posted by:Herb McCoy7309

#14  ...They are, their leadership is just on the other side.
Posted by: Procopius2k   2017-04-19 20:27  

#13  Gee, if only our LEO in Berkeley had the initiative and incentive to DO THEIR F*CKIN JOBS
Posted by: Frank G   2017-04-19 19:05  

#12  /pol/ is narrowing in on identifying the Antifa padlock attacker

Posted by: Bright Pebbles   2017-04-19 17:28  

#11  Calling people who want a smaller state Fascists is even stupider.
Posted by: Bright Pebbles   2017-04-19 16:45  

#10  Anarchists for government subsidies and higher taxes is an definete oxymoron.
Posted by: Bright Pebbles   2017-04-19 16:45  

#9  No worries TW, they're on it.

Glad to hear it, Rex Mundi. Though I expect that the Anarchist cadres are not as foolish about such things as their cannon fodder.

You are very welcome, AlanC.
Posted by: trailing wife   2017-04-19 15:35  

#8  I agree with the graphic in the article.
Posted by: gorb   2017-04-19 14:11  

#7  I remember seeing history documentaries showing B&W newsreels footage of the Spartacists vs. Freikorps riots in Wiemar Germany. Most of these clueless fools have no idea the havoc they are unleashing.
Posted by: magpie   2017-04-19 13:41  

#6  If they were smart (/sarc) the antifast would ignore the 'Nazi's'. The media would certainly help them in that regard. The Berkeley police might even help in making it difficult for certain groups to get permits and such.

By going for direct confrontation they raise the visibility of the 'Nazi's' as well as expose how vile they are themselves.
Posted by: rjschwarz   2017-04-19 13:34  

#5  Yeah TW that's where I read the story but my befuddled old brain couldn't remember where I'd seen it. Heck it was probably an hour or so had passed.


YASM (yet another senior moment)
Posted by: AlanC   2017-04-19 13:12  

#4  No worries TW, they're on it.
Posted by: Rex Mundi   2017-04-19 13:04  

#3  About those little knives, AlanC -- Rantburg has the story here.

Reading the comments at the link is interesting. One hopes the anti-Antifa crowd lurk there and similar open source sites regularly as part of their observation step.
Posted by: trailing wife   2017-04-19 12:49  

#2  This could get really nasty. I've seen a story about the "anti-"fascists lining up knives to take and use in a scrum, the little folding ones the size of a credit card.

Now I know that the good guys will go "that's not a knife..." but then someone will go for a gun and...........
Posted by: AlanC   2017-04-19 11:08  

#1  Hold their own? Hell, they cleaned the streets faster than a SWAT riot team. Stayed together, cooperated, grabbed antifa leaders and beat them for a few seconds then sent them on their way bloody way, and the rest of the idiots fled.

Expect more weapons to be brought in though and things to grow more violent.
Posted by: DarthVader   2017-04-19 09:49  

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