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Afghanistan
'Land, kill and leave': How Australian special forces helped lose the war in Afghanistan
2017-07-16
[ABC Auz] A blow has been dealt to the prestige of Australia's special forces with in-kind damages likely to follow for the reputation of the Australian Army as a whole.

At first, it might seem tempting to think of these kinds of events as isolated incidents that do not speak to a more widespread problem within the Army's special operations community. But misconduct on the battlefield also speaks to a wayward shift in a military force's broader operating culture.

Along with the Maywand District murders and the Panjywai massacre, what these new allegations levelled against Australian soldiers in Uruzgan will come to symbolise is the ultimate failure of Western militaries to adapt to a fight where the decisive battle was the human terrain.

According to our military leaders, the reason for Australia's presence in Uruzgan province between 2001 and 2014 was to "clear, hold and build" a Taliban-free Afghanistan. Per counterinsurgency doctrine, by providing an enduring sense of physical security to local Afghans, the "hearts and minds" as well as the rifles and trigger-fingers of fighting-aged males in Uruzgan would eventually be won over.

At some point it seems that this strategic guidance either failed or was wholly ignored.

While Special Operations soldiers had earlier played a kind of "guardian angel" role in support of their regular counterparts in the Mentoring and Reconstruction Task Force, as the Afghan war dragged on, that role became increasingly aggressive.
"Guardian angel in spt of regulars"....WTF is the kluless author talking about.
An upsurge in "direct action" operations began to distract from efforts to secure the population. By 2010, much of the task group was solely focused on so-called "high-value targeting" -- the coalition's effort to kill or capture an ever-growing list of local Taliban "commanders".
Posted by:Besoeker

#11  COIN lover?
Posted by: Skidmark   2017-07-16 19:56  

#10  Respectfully, I believe we've moved into the realm of circular logic, puppets, puppet masters, etc. Or, amirung ?

Possibly. Tinfoil hats make my head itch.

The Klingons have a long, historical habit of digging in their heels when they disagree with the occupants of the WH. Obviously they didn't from 2008-2016, for whatever reason.

So... a suggestion... an agreement... mutual benefits...
Posted by: Pappy   2017-07-16 17:39  

#9  Let me see if I got it right: the author's heart is broken because he discovered special forces actually kill people?
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2017-07-16 16:40  

#8  To be fair, the bois and grrls at 1600 Penn. had a lot to do with it.
Posted by Pappy


Respectfully, I believe we've moved into the realm of circular logic, puppets, puppet masters, etc. Or, amirung ?
Posted by: Besoeker   2017-07-16 16:21  

#7   it was an orchestrated strategy initiated and score-carded by the Klingons

To be fair, the bois and grrls at 1600 Penn. had a lot to do with it.
Posted by: Pappy   2017-07-16 15:43  

#6  ABC Auz is the downunder version of Al-Grauniad
Posted by: Frank G   2017-07-16 13:32  

#5  the 'plan' was that the Afghan army and police would do most of the 'hold' and the Afghan govt would do most of the 'build'

it is incomprehensible that the Australian force which never got above 2000 at any one time, could have done the 'hold' and 'build' without a large and competent Afghan presence also
Posted by: lord garth   2017-07-16 13:24  

#4   A blow has been dealt to the prestige of Australia's special forces with in-kind damages likely to follow for the reputation of the Australian Army as a whole.
"Tut-Tut, I say! Harrumph! Blood bad show, what?" ...Or something like that. I doubt the author would be happy with anything the military does in armed conflict more violent than handing out lollypops and rescuing kittens from trees.
Posted by: magpie   2017-07-16 13:11  

#3  Exactly! The JPEL didn't just fok'n happen, it was an orchestrated strategy initiated and score-carded by the Klingons, with responsibility for execution tasked to JSOC and associates. 'Big Army' became grounds keepers and logistics pogs assigned to meaningless sectors and AOR's while the executors of direct action (DA) missions knew no such boundaries or coordinating requirements.

Blaming the Auzzie SAS or other coalition SOF is a cheap shot. BTW, some of the coaltition SOF were NOT invited to participate and were shunted off to remote locations in support of the grounds keeping mission. I can give you Albanian SOF as a one example.
Posted by: Besoeker   2017-07-16 12:48  

#2  I dunno. Who were the leaders of Australia and the US in 2010?
Posted by: Pappy   2017-07-16 12:38  

#1  An upsurge in "direct action" operations began to distract from efforts to secure the population. By 2010, much of the task group was solely focused on so-called "high-value targeting"...

Where could they have possibly come up with that sort of strategy? 'No Vacancy' at GITMO ?


[Sarc off]
Posted by: Besoeker   2017-07-16 12:29  

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