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| Israeli intelligence reportedly says Trump's Syria strike failed, didn't take out much of anything |
| 2018-04-17 |
| [BusinessInsider] My personal opinion is that Trump only wanted to give them a black eye and to put the fear of Trump into them, not to definitively destroy their CW program or depose Pencilneck. In that regard, mission accomplished. They will think three times about what will come next before they do it again, and they might just do it again if they figure the benefits outweigh the risks. In my mind, the Syrians accomplished what they wanted in Douma, and they also gained knowledge about how well their air defense works against out latest stuff. So everyone wins. • Israeli intelligence officials have concluded that the US, UK, and France's missile strikes on Syria's suspected chemical weapons sites were a failure. • Multiple Israeli government and military sources criticized the strikes effectiveness in hurting Syria's ability to conduct chemical attacks. • These officials also criticized President Donald Trump talking about the strikes beforehand. • The US and allies' strikes on Syria likely didn't change anything on the battlefield, and it's hard to know how much of the chemical weapons stockpile was hit. The US, UK, and France's missile strike on Syria's suspected chemical weapons sites involved 105 missiles fired from air and sea to rain down thousands of pounds of explosives on three sites across the country‐ but Israeli intelligence officers reportedly called it a failure. "If President Trump had ordered the strike only to show that the US responded to [Syrian President Bashar] Assad's use of chemical weapons, then that goal has been achieved," a senior defense official told Israel's Ynet News. "But if there was another objective ‐ such as paralyzing the ability to launch chemical weapons or deterring Assad from using it again ‐ it's doubtful any of these objectives have been met." An intelligence officer who talked to Ynet wasn't as forgiving. "The statement of 'Mission Accomplished' and (the assertion) that Assad's ability to use chemical weapons has been fatally hit has no basis," the source said, likely referring to a recent tweet from President Donald Trump. Unlike the strike in April 2017, the US and its allies did not target Assad's jets or airfields, though that attack was also apparently of low impact, as Assad's jets took off from the damaged airfield within 24 hours and reports of chemical warfare by his regime persisted. Israel apparently not impressed with Trump's tough talk The Israelis seemed to take particular issue with Trump talking about his plans to strike before the military action took place. In comparison, Israel is suspected of carrying out a silent but lethal air war against Iranian-aligned militias in Syria, though it seldom ever comments on whether it took part in specific strikes, and always after the fact. "If you want to shoot ‐ shoot, don't talk," an Israeli diplomatic source told Ynet. "In the American case, this is mostly talk. They themselves show actions are not going to follow." After Trump tweeted that Russia and Syria should "get ready" for incoming missiles, it appears they moved assets to more protected locations, potentially limiting the available targets for the strike. Nobody knows how much chemical weapons Assad has left The US said the strike had hit the "heart" of Assad's chemical weapons infrastructure, but admitted some residual capabilities remained. The strike certainly did not deal any damage to Assad's air force, which is suspected to deploy the chemical weapons. While the Israelis estimated that the strikes didn't hit the bulk of Assad's chemical weapons, it's hard to know exactly how much or where the weapons stores could be, as international inspectors certified that Syria had removed their weapons of mass destruction as a result of a deal between then-President Barack Obama and Russia in 2013. But reports of chemical attacks have regularly surfaced since then, and recent reports from Islamist rebels fighting Assad in Douma, the town where the most recent suspected chemical attack sparked the US and allies' strike, said Assad is using the terrifying weapons to win on the battlefield. "They bombed and bombed and we weren't defeated by conventional weapons so they found the only way was to use chemical (weapons)," a rebel told Reuters. Despite the US and allies' missile strike on Syria, Assad's regime has only strengthened and fortified its position by clearing out more rebel strongholds. The UK has admitted that the strike did not intend to turn the overall tide of the war, and was essentially meant as a punitive action to compel Assad not to use chemical weapons. |
| Posted by:gorb |
| #10 Even though the mission was a success, never relax. |
| Posted by: Omeger Gray6606 2018-04-17 19:25 |
| #9 Perhaps someone got a shipment of those mylar balloons used to float Choco-Pies across the NKor border... |
| Posted by: SteveS 2018-04-17 18:54 |
| #8 And that’s the best part of fusing an air defense network. |
| Posted by: Skidmark 2018-04-17 18:50 |
| #7 it made a pretty nice diversion for their own attack on the Iranians, didn't it. Except it turns out there wasn’t an attack last night after all — either someone spoofed Syria’s radar or the operators are teetering on the edge of hysteria, shooting at things that aren’t there. |
| Posted by: trailing wife 2018-04-17 17:30 |
| #6 What Skid said...maybe the whole play was misdirection so the isrealis could blitz. |
| Posted by: BrerRabbit 2018-04-17 16:42 |
| #5 Mission NOT Accomplished |
| Posted by: Ulogum Grundy3679 2018-04-17 16:09 |
| #4 With all the defensive forces and media scrambling and counting missile strikes and misses it made a pretty nice diversion for their own attack on the Iranians, didn't it. You're welcome. |
| Posted by: Skidmark 2018-04-17 15:48 |
| #3 Wonder how they're looking at it in Pyongyang? |
| Posted by: Procopius2k 2018-04-17 15:34 |
| #2 I guess the Don figured that a chemical attack hoax deserved a bombing attack hoax. |
| Posted by: g(r)omgoru 2018-04-17 15:11 |
| #1 Not a surprise. It was designed to hit targets that were painful for Assad, but not regime ending and in areas where no Russians were to avoid international issues. For what they were they performed to mission success as defined above. Also they let Russia know we can hit them any time, any where and you won't see it coming. So don't fuck with us. |
| Posted by: DarthVader 2018-04-17 14:39 |