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Home Front: Politix
Re-posting: James Clapper sez Trump-Kim Summit 'Doomed from the Get-Go'
2019-03-06
[Alphanews] James Clapper, the former director of national intelligence, said President Donald Trump never stood a chance of reaching a denuclearization deal during last week’s talks with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un.

"From both a process and a substance standpoint, I think the summit was doomed from the get-go," Clapper, now a CNN analyst, told the network Tuesday of the Trump-Kim meeting in Hanoi, Vietnam.

A key problem, Clapper said, was that the U.S. and North Korea haven’t agreed on the meaning of denuclearization and what would entail for Kim’s regime.

Further, Clapper said, it appeared that aides to the two leaders prepared nothing ahead of time for an agreement, making the summit little more than a round of negotiations rather than a deal-making occasion.

"I think just a lack of preparation, or a combination of that and perhaps the president’s hubris ― he thought he could charm King Jong Un into agreeing to anything and it isn’t sufficient for us simply to demand that the North Koreans denuclearize when the only apparent promise is we’ll be less coercive," Clapper said.
Posted by:Besoeker

#11  

What is they say here at Rantburg? You know you're getting close to the target when you start getting flak?
Posted by: Abu Uluque   2019-03-06 15:33  

#10  why would someone do a formal, automated computer network attack here and on that article?

Purely coincidence, I'm sure, that an article slagging Clappy triggers an attack.
I'm so old that I remember when these guys spent their time trying to overthrow South American countries.

I forget where I saw it, but someone suggested the reason there was no (visible) progress in the summit, was because Pudge had to take the proposal back home to run it by the generals that keep him in power. Sounds plausible to me.
Posted by: SteveS   2019-03-06 14:53  

#9  Someone didn't care for the article? A network or rather article denial? A denial test? It's beyond my very limited and dated network knowledge. Fred or Badanov will have more insights. In all the years I've been coming here, this was the first one of this magnitude I've seen.

It had the desired effect. We took down the article and it spooked others from commenting.
Posted by: Besoeker   2019-03-06 14:41  

#8  Besoeker, why would someone do a formal, automated computer network attack here and on that article?
Posted by: trailing wife   2019-03-06 14:14  

#7  The spam automation tool is following the deleted article URL to the delete bin, and continuing to comment.
Posted by: Besoeker   2019-03-06 14:04  

#6  There is a note in to Fred and badonov noting both the original IP and the IP range, Besoeker. Clever if you to try removing the article URL and text — I’d never thought of that. And once you did, the next step was obviousl :-)

As far as I am aware, only those two can block IPs, Raj. So it will likely be done some time tonight.
Posted by: trailing wife   2019-03-06 13:57  

#5  Can you block his IP address?
Posted by: Raj   2019-03-06 13:53  

#4  That was going to be my next step. Were we able to save the IP address(s) ?
Posted by: Besoeker   2019-03-06 13:53  

#3  Fascinating. They seem to still be commenting on an article that is not there. The internet is much more magical than it appears to the ignorant eye.

Ah well, at least we don’t have to see them crowding out legitimate commentary.

This isn't Albert in his folk's basement, this is a formal, automated Computer Network Attack (CNA) I suspect we'll see more of it, not less.
Posted by: trailing wife   2019-03-06 13:53  

#2  Hopefully we are done with the spam wave, now that the article they were attached to has been deleted.
Posted by: trailing wife   2019-03-06 13:50  

#1  Legitimate comments from the original thread, except g(r)omgoru’s cris d’coeur about spam trolls:


#1 "I think just a lack of preparation, or a combination of that and perhaps the president’s hubris

This assessment coming from Clapper, absolutely shocking.
Posted by: Besoeker 05:04

#2 Says the man who wears his double digit IQ number on the back of a bowling shirt.
Posted by: Woodrow 05:28

#3 As opposed to all the progress when he was in charge as DNI
Posted by: Frank G 07:13

#4 Not a deep thinker if you don't understand its all about strategy not about the 'show'. Or as someone else has written 'plots within plots'.

What did Kim come away with? Nothing, even though his game was thinking that Trump had to sign of do something. He didn't. That gambit didn't work.

Look around Kim. It's a commie authoritarian state in Vietnam. They're doing business with the US and are far more prosperous than North Korea and don't have a bomb.
Posted by: Procopius2k 08:34

#5 They also don't have God-King
Posted by: g(r)omgoru 08:37

#6 I think James Clapper was here...
Posted by: jvalentour 11:01
Posted by: trailing wife   2019-03-06 13:48  

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