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US House Foreign Affairs Committee calls for probing Haftar for war crimes
2019-05-17
[Libya Observer] US House Representative Tom Malinowski
...(D-NJ) and for a few years assistant secretary of state for democracy, human rights, and labour under the Obama administration. He was born in Poland, but eventually made his way to the U.S...
said the House Foreign Affairs Committee members will send a letter to the Secretary of Justice and FBI Director asking for investigating Khalifa Haftar
...Self-proclaimed Field Marshal, served in the Libyan army under Muammar Qadaffy, and took part in the coup that brought Qadaffy to power in 1969. He became a prisoner of war in Chad in 1987. While held prisoner, he and his fellow officers formed a group hoping to overthrow Qadaffy. He was released around 1990 in a deal with the United States government and spent nearly two decades in the United States, gaining US citizenship. In 1993, while living in the United States, he was convicted in absentia of crimes against the Jamahiriya and sentenced to death. Haftar held a senior position in the anti-Qadaffy forces in the 2011 Libyan Civil War. In 2014 he was commander of the Libyan Army when the General National Congress (GNC) refused to give up power in accordance with its term of office. Haftar launched a campaign against the GNC and its Islamic fundamentalist allies. His campaign allowed elections to take place to replace the GNC, but then developed into a civil war. Guess you can't win them all...
for war crimes he and his subordinates committed in Libya since Haftar is a US citizen.

The remarks came in a hearing at the committee with witnesses analyzing the Libyan situation, including Benjamin Fishman, Megan Doherty, Frederic Wehrey, and Thomas Hill.
Just as soon as we get to the bottom of the US Benghazi deaths, bitches
The Chairman of the hearing, Theodore Deutch, reiterated that Khalifa Haftar's attack on Tripoli
...a confusing city, one end of which is located in Lebanon and the other end of which is the capital of Libya. Its chief distinction is being mentioned in the Marine Hymn...
is undermining the political process in the country, urging the US administration to adopt a clearer policy toward Libya and call for an unconditional ceasefire.

Deutch added that US President Donald Trump
...New York real estate developer, described by Dems as illiterate, racist, misogynistic, and what ever other unpleasant descriptions they can think of, elected by the rest of us as 45th President of the United States...
called Haftar, but he did not ask him to cease fire and that was considered by many states in the region as a support for his war in Tripoli, thus creating the current crisis in the country which would affect many neighboring and regional states.

The witnesses and the members of the committee all were in agreement with the fact that Haftar's claims of fighting terrorism were false, calling him out for his war on Misrata forces, which the committee and witnesses clarified as the ones who coordinated with the US in defeating ISIS in Libya in 2016.

They also called for a US pressure on its allies, especially the ones supporting Haftar's war on Tripoli; La Belle France, UAE, Soddy Arabia
...a kingdom taking up the bulk of the Arabian peninsula. Its primary economic activity involves exporting oil and soaking Islamic rubes on the annual hajj pilgrimage. The country supports a large number of princes in whatcha might call princely splendor. When the oil runs out the rest of the world is going to kick sand in the Soddy national face...
and Egypt, into pushing for a political solution under the UN auspices, urging for a ceasefire as a first step to avoid more humanitarian crises.

Witnesses reiterated that Haftar took three years to calm control in Benghazi, so his Tripoli takeover won't be easy or short in time, adding that he might have lied to his supporters about his true capabilities in this fighting.

Witnesses also told the committee that Haftar has proven to be the one fueling the conflict in Libya and his supporters in eastern Libya are with him out of despair. He has no army, but only some former soldiers and tribal militias paid to fight.

Posted by:Fred

#26  Herb, I know it's hassle to have to get in your car, drive to the local Google library and go into Google's reference section, but it's something we all have to do to see if our biases are borne out by the facts:

Haftar was born in Ajdabiya around 1943,[12][13] and is a member of the al-Farjani tribe.[14] He studied at al-Huda School in Ajdabiya in 1957 and then moved to Derna to obtain his secondary education between 1961 and 1964.[15] He joined the Benghazi Military University Academy (also known as Benghazi Royal Military College) on 16 September 1964 and graduated from there in 1966.[16] In the late 1970s, he went on to receive military training in the Soviet Union, completing a special three-year degree for foreign officers sent to study in the USSR, at the M.V. Frunze Military Academy. Haftar later pursued further military training in Egypt.[5][17] He was also stationed with the artillery corps in a mosque.[18]
Posted by: Zhang Fei   2019-05-17 22:30  

#25  We admit we just skimmed the article (that's the Royal We, bitches!), but except for talking to The Donald on the phone, I didn't see anything resembling war crimes. We await enlightenment.
Posted by: SteveS   2019-05-17 14:59  

#24  Well, there's always the Punic War technique that kept the Libyans quiet for a fair piece, no?
Posted by: AlanC   2019-05-17 14:44  

#23  And who was in the White House when Haftar was being cultivated? Hmmm?
Posted by: M. Murcek   2019-05-17 14:38  

#22  Even in the soviet goddam union collectivist utopia there were people who refused to go along for the ride. Claiming every American is in favor of every misadventure dreamed up in McLean or the White House is a reach too far.
Posted by: M. Murcek   2019-05-17 14:33  

#21  It needs to be said, Frank, that Herb's continuous use of we (meaning all Americans) is dis-fucking-honest and needs to be called out every fucking time.
Posted by: M. Murcek   2019-05-17 14:29  

#20  I don't care if I meet Herb's criteria. He's a concern troll
Posted by: Frank G   2019-05-17 14:16  

#19  If pointing out that I (and many other Americans) didn't vote to create Haftar is "foaming at the mouth ad hominem," Im'a gonna foam away..
Posted by: M. Murcek   2019-05-17 14:10  

#18  Best thing the US could ever have done regarding foreign nationals studying here would have been to kill Sayyed Qutb.
Posted by: M. Murcek   2019-05-17 13:58  

#17  Best thing the US could ever have done regarding foreign nationals studying here would have been to kill Sayyed Qutb.
Posted by: M. Murcek   2019-05-17 13:58  

#16  Qdaffy never studied in the U.S. and consider all the crimes he committed. Hitler never trained in the U.S. Attending school in the United States is not necessarily a prerequisite for the commission of war crimes. And besides that, one man's war criminal is another man's hero. And besides this little investigation, what is Tom Malinowski gonna do about? Will he demand that the US intervene? Sorry, but I think the US has staged quite enough interventions.
Posted by: Abu Uluque   2019-05-17 13:55  

#15  If we wouldn't have trained him and sent him back, he wouldn't have committed these war crimes. Simple cause and effect.

I look forward to more froth-at-the-mouth ad hominems in place of reasoned arguments.
Posted by: Herb McCoy   2019-05-17 13:39  

#14  Always a chance to try something new, like glassification.
Posted by: M. Murcek   2019-05-17 13:38  

#13  Whoops! Premature postulation sorry! To continue:

The alternative is the vicious war of all against all they’ve been experiencing in recent years, while various jihadi groups expand training camps into proto-emirates.
Posted by: trailing wife   2019-05-17 13:11  

#12  Sadly, like the Syrians, the Libyans as a people have demonstrated conclusively that they are not anywhere near ready to live democratically, however eager some enlightened citizens might be on the subject. A relatively benevolent strongman is the best they can hope for, but one way or another a strongman is what they will get. The
Posted by: trailing wife   2019-05-17 12:45  

#11  thus creating the current crisis in the country which would affect many neighboring and regional states.

Alternatively, it seems that this guy is doing exactly what we would want done to stabilize the region.

Posted by: Skidmark   2019-05-17 12:33  

#10  McRaven is eructating again today also.
Posted by: M. Murcek   2019-05-17 12:04  

#9  The idiots who shout "democracy! democracy! all the time would go bald instantly if this country was run on plebiscites. The demolished notion that there would be more money for "pre-K" and gay art than for submarines and missiles would make them scream for a return to a bastardized republic.
Posted by: M. Murcek   2019-05-17 11:37  

#8  More difference than madame pantsuit would ever admit.
Posted by: M. Murcek   2019-05-17 11:34  

#7  What difference, at this point, does it make?
Posted by: Abu Uluque   2019-05-17 11:29  

#6  Yogi Berra: "In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they are completely different..."
Posted by: M. Murcek   2019-05-17 11:19  

#5  we, the US Government

Yes, yes, I know the theory is "we the people" are the government. In practice, that's Just. Not. True. Please adjust your commentary to at least partially reflect the truth...
Posted by: M. Murcek   2019-05-17 11:16  

#4  I remember in the 1990's the Democrats having hearings about Central American (quote) Right Wing Death Squads (un-quote) and officers that had gone to the School of the Americas at Ft. Bragg, subsequently renamed as WHINESEC. The argument was that: "Bad Officers attended ergo the CIA taught them how to be evil torturers". The assumption that we, the US Government, are the source of all evils in the world seem remarkably ... arrogant.
Posted by: magpie   2019-05-17 10:28  

#3  Well, "we" is a freighted and fraught label. Yeah, taxpayers like me paid for whatever the USGOV did for / with this guy, but I don't remember checking the "go for it" box on the memo...
Posted by: M. Murcek   2019-05-17 10:02  

#2  and the Herb Hand-wringing commences
Posted by: Frank G   2019-05-17 09:06  

#1  This is the guy we trained, right?
Posted by: Herb McCoy    2019-05-17 07:49  

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