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Homeless Set Up Camp In Walmart Parking Lot, Police Say They Can't Do Much About It
2019-06-29
[Hot Air] I’ve written a lot about homelessness on the west coast and the property crime that tends to go with it. This story from Garden Grove in Orange County is happening just about five miles from my house. Homeless people have set up a camp of sorts in the parking lot of a local Walmart. There are complaints about harassment of shoppers, break-ins and vandalism of parked cars, and shoplifting from the store itself. And yet, not much is happening to change it.

A nearby store has hired security guards to patrol the lot as well as maintenance people to clean up the trash left behind by the homeless but that doesn’t solve the crime or other problems. According to KCAL 9, the Walmart where this homeless camp is being set up has refused to ask people to leave and local police say there’s not much they can do.
"There’s just a lot of homeless, a lot, asking for money," said one shopper who was there with a child. "I don’t come after it’s dark."

And when area cops are called out to the scene, their hands are tied.

"Many times they sit there and say, ’Can’t you just arrest them?" But it doesn’t work that way," Brian Meers, a Garden Grove police officer assigned to the homelessness problem, said. "Most of the violations in the state are misdemeanor crimes now and they get out in six hours, and the reality of it is that they’re going to go right back to doing what they were doing before."

This is exactly the same problem that is happening in places like Seattle and Portland. In February, a report commissioned by area business leaders revealed that the 100 most prolific homeless offenders in the area were responsible for 3,500 criminal cases. The homeless are stealing from stores like Walmart, sometimes using a shopping list of items provided to them by a ringleader. The vast majority of the time these thefts aren’t caught, but even when they are caught and police are called, the thieves are back on the street in a day or less. It eats up an enormous amount of police time but nothing really changes.

You might be thinking that the obvious solution here is to enforce the law and make people pay an actual price for theft, harassment, and vandalism but that’s not a very popular notion in a lot of liberal big cities. In fact, there’s a coalition of activists in Los Angeles working this week to reduce police impact on the homeless. From the LA Times:
Posted by:Besoeker

#13  My guess is that this is the Walmart by Beach Blvd. and the Garden Grove Freeway. Cops won't do anything. About 15 years ago, the homeless set up a community in the parking lot of the Orange County Superior Court Courthouse! They held the county hostage for the better part of a year. Courts don't care either!
Posted by: Sgt.D.T.   2019-06-29 23:03  

#12  wal mart has always let RV'ers park in their lots.
Posted by: 746   2019-06-29 22:01  

#11  My biggest fear is that California Democrats want to turn this state into a Third World hell hole.

See - "Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven"
Posted by: Procopius2k   2019-06-29 16:05  

#10  ..maybe it's not a 'crime' except that Walmart is zoned for commercial not residential. Send in the zoning police and issue tickets to those violating the statutes which is not Walmart in this case.
Posted by: Procopius2k   2019-06-29 16:03  

#9  My understanding from listening to John and Ken on LA radio station KFI is that Proposition 47 is to blame.

California Proposition 47, the Reduced Penalties for Some Crimes Initiative, was on the November 4, 2014 ballot in California as an initiated state statute. The measure was approved.

HIGHLIGHTS
Nonviolent, nonserious crimes were reduced to misdemeanors.
As jail population numbers fell, estimated state savings grew by millions. Multiple court challenges stemmed from the initiative's passage.

As the Garden Grove police officer says, homeless individuals bums who are arrested on misdemeanors are quickly released due to jail overcrowding.

But I don't believe we need expensive jails for these people. Tent cities in the desert surrounded by concertina wire would suffice. Hell, they can even bring their own tents. RV bums could bring their own RVs!

Once incarcerated, give them food and water and nothing else. No alcohol, drugs or tobacco. If they're uncomfortable, so much the better, as long as they're not on the streets of our cities.

We need to stop coddling the homeless individuals bums. If they refuse to live like human beings then they have forfeited their human rights. Put them out it the boondocks with the coyotes and jackrabbits. We need to break the mindset they seem to have that this type of behavior is somehow acceptable. It isn't. Maybe this sounds harsh, but when these people die on the streets of disease, drug overdose or misadventure that's pretty damn harsh as well.

But I'm afraid it won't happen and the problem will only get worse until we end up looking, not like Mexico, but more like India with bums, trash, shit and flies all over the place. My biggest fear is that California Democrats want to turn this state into a Third World hell hole. They have no opposition and it looks like they are well on the way to success.

As for Walmart, if they can't provide a clean and safe environment for shoppers then screw 'em. And I don't want to order online. When I want to buy something, I want to look at it, feel it, check the label to make sure it isn't Made in China. Then, if I still want to buy it, I want it right now and not a week or two later when it arrives in the mail.
Posted by: Abu Uluque   2019-06-29 12:31  

#8  Let's reclaim language on this topic. Homeless is just a emphemism for bums.
Posted by: warthogswife   2019-06-29 11:01  

#7  Kelo for the masses?

Police Say They Can't Do Much About It
aka known as 'we extort protection money but won't do anything really to protect you'

There is no legitimacy to your government other than the application of force.
Posted by: Procopius2k   2019-06-29 08:30  

#6  If the Walmart clientele are anything like those in Georgia, the KOA-Lite people are probably more upscale than the shoppers.

Could be a lucrative HUD contract in there somewhere.
Posted by: Besoeker   2019-06-29 07:39  

#5  Cadaverine. Just sayin'. They will leave on their own.
Posted by: Black Charlie Cheper6841   2019-06-29 07:10  

#4  So paying shoppers stay away and this Walmart goes out of business.

Not necessarily. Right now you can place your order online an pick it up without getting out of your car. I doubt the law, as it is currently constituted, would prevent them from fencing their lot and only allowing people who went online and made an "appointment" to shop on the premises.
Posted by: M. Murcek   2019-06-29 06:53  

#3  So paying shoppers stay away and this Walmart goes out of business. Lesson applied.
Posted by: Flert Ebbeasing8240   2019-06-29 03:36  

#2  Why call the cops? Hired goons are much more effective.
Posted by: Silentbrick   2019-06-29 03:26  

#1  Vagrancy statutes, just another law being ignored.
Posted by: Besoeker   2019-06-29 01:14  

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