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The end of America's 30-year engagement with China?
2019-08-23
[Washington Insider] Will the demonstrations in Hong Kong come to be seen as the end of a 30-year period, beginning with the Tiananmen Square massacre in 1989, of the American-Chinese economic engagement and entanglement christened "Chimerica" by historian Niall Ferguson?

Quite possibly, and without regard to what happens in Hong Kong. President Trump’s on-and-off tariff threats to China have shown his willingness to upend U.S.-China economic ties. Unlike his predecessors, he regards imports from China as harmful. In his view, they provide cheap clothes and toys to American consumers, but they also have destroyed more American manufacturing jobs than expected.

In any case, China's economic growth has been flagging, and its work force has essentially stopped growing. Post-Tiananmen annual growth, unparalleled in history, ranged from 8% to 14% from 1991 to 2013, but has tailed off, probably below the official 6% level.

Thanks to China’s longtime one-child policy, its working-age population has been declining, down 3% since 2011. For years, one big question about China was whether it would get old before it got rich. The answer seems to be that it has gotten old about halfway up the path. Poverty is way down, but incomes significantly lag those in North America, Western Europe and East Asia, including Taiwan and Hong Kong. Meanwhile, just as the United States once lost low-skill manufacturing jobs, so China is losing them now.
Posted by:Besoeker

#13  We should have been dealing with the Chinese the same way we did with the USSR.

Unfortunately, America's policy towards China has always been driven by dreams of what its population could be -- an unparalleled mass of customers, an unparalleled source of new converts. It's never been about what the Chinese want or need, but always about what influential Americans can get out of it.

(For example, for the Clinton's, it was about trading US defense secrets for cash.)
Posted by: Rob Crawford   2019-08-23 19:37  

#12  President Trump on Friday announced plans to increase tariffs on hundreds of billions of dollars in Chinese goods in a sweeping response to duties announced by Beijing earlier in the day.

Trump tweeted that a 10 percent tariff on $300 billion in Chinese goods set to go into effect on Sept. 1 would increase to 15 percent, and that an additional $250 billion being tariffed at 25 percent will be hit with a 30 percent tariff starting Oct. 1.

"China should not have put new Tariffs on 75 BILLION DOLLARS of United States product (politically motivated!)" Trump tweeted.
Posted by: Phinens Dingle9259   2019-08-23 18:55  

#11  ☺
Posted by: Mullah Richard   2019-08-23 18:15  

#10  Play the Russia card (against China - not at the drive-in).
Posted by: Lex   2019-08-23 17:27  

#9  Ref #5: Parking in the back row, near the ditch. Nobody walks past your car for popcorn or soft drinks.
Posted by: Besoeker   2019-08-23 16:26  

#8  The moral of the story is: When you enable evil, it does not reform. It only gets more powerful and more dangerous.

We should have been dealing with the Chinese the same way we did with the USSR. If we had they might have collapsed by now the same way the USSR did. Trump gave them more of a chance than I would have but he is not naive and stupid the way jimmuh carter was. Nor is he as greedy and unscrupulous as Henry Kissinger. I hope he's not too late.
Posted by: Abu Uluque   2019-08-23 14:11  

#7  ^^^
#6, Bravo! About damn time.
Posted by: Abu Uluque   2019-08-23 13:40  

#6  Donald J. Trump
‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump
Our Country has lost, stupidly, Trillions of Dollars with China over many years. They have stolen our Intellectual Property at a rate of Hundreds of Billions of Dollars a year, & they want to continue. I won’t let that happen! We don’t need China and, frankly, would be far....

....better off without them.
The vast amounts of money made and stolen by China from the United States, year after year, for decades, will and must STOP. Our great American companies are hereby ordered to immediately start looking for an alternative to China, including bringing..

....your companies HOME and making your products in the USA.
I will be responding to China’s Tariffs this afternoon. This is a GREAT opportunity for the United States. Also, I am ordering all carriers, including Fed Ex, Amazon, UPS and the Post Office, to SEARCH FOR & REFUSE,....

....all deliveries of Fentanyl from China (or anywhere else!). Fentanyl kills 100,000 Americans a year. President Xi said this would stop - it didn’t. Our Economy, because of our gains in the last 2 1/2 years, is MUCH larger than that of China. We will keep it that way!
Posted by: Phinens Dingle9259   2019-08-23 11:58  

#5  You'd have to be of a certain age to recognize your graphic, B.
Posted by: Mullah Richard   2019-08-23 11:57  

#4  Building up China's economic and military might and destroying our manufacturing class will be seen by future historians as one of many insanely self-destructive policies foisted on this country by its foolish political class.

Right up there with importing 20 million semi-literate illegal entrants from Mexico and Central America.
Posted by: Lex   2019-08-23 09:45  

#3  They could have been a contender.
Posted by: Hupolush Ulereling8010   2019-08-23 08:24  

#2  The pity of it.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2019-08-23 07:29  

#1  It's a good time to leave. We'll avoid the traffic rush.
Posted by: Besoeker   2019-08-23 02:51  

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