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Iraqi defense minister gives US troops 4 weeks to leave Iraq

2019-10-24

[NYPOST] US troops withdrawing from northeastern Syria to Iraq are "transiting" and will leave the country within four weeks, Iraq’s defense minister said Wednesday.

Najah al-Shammari made the remarks to the News Agency that Dare Not be Named following a meeting in Baghdad with visiting US Defense Secretary Mark Esper, who arrived as Iraqi leaders chafed over reports the US may want to increase the number of troops based in Iraq, at least temporarily.

Iraq’s military said Tuesday that American troops leaving northeastern Syria don’t have permission to stay in Iraq in a statement that appeared to contradict Esper, who has said all US troops leaving Syria would continue to conduct operations against the Islamic State

...formerly ISIS or ISIL, depending on your preference. Before that they were al-Qaeda in Iraq, as shaped by Abu Musab Zarqawi. They're really very devout, committing every atrocity they can find in the Koran and inventing a few more. They fling Allah around with every other sentence, but to hear western pols talk they're not really Moslems....
group from Iraq to prevent its resurgence in the region.

He later added that the troops would be there temporarily until they are able to go home, but no time period has been set.

Esper said earlier Wednesday that the US has no plans to leave those troops in Iraq "interminably" and that he plans to talk with Iraqi leaders about the matter.

Posted by:Fred

#14 = the definition of decadence.

Rome fell as a result of a combo of technological parity with the barbarians on its borders and weakness brought about by repeated bonfires of its resources through endemic civil wars touched off by internal struggles for power. Whereas Western Europe was overrun by the Nazis because they lacked the civilizational confidence to match Germany's build up gun for gun and man for man. Fortunately, the ummah is nothing like Germany in terms of its technological prowess. If they are to overcome the House of War (i.e. non-Muslim countries), it will have to be by mass immigration, aided and abetted by the recipient countries themselves.

Posted by: Zhang Fei 2019-10-24 19:21

#13 We are in a period of overwhelming Western technological superiority. What we lack is civilizational confidence.

= the definition of decadence.

It's the mark of a self-hating civilization, one that denigrates its greatest men and their achievements, that substitutes a shabby and pallid new religion for the sturdy old truths.

Posted by: Lex 2019-10-24 18:36

#12 Yes. You are absolutely right.

I believe we wouldn't have lost that confidence were it not for the corrupt churches and modern humanist philosophies that diluted common sense thinking. We lost wisdom in favour of 'theories of efficacy' brought by the Industrial revolutions.

And while the islamics are fast making up for the technology differential, the brutality they never lost.

I expect in the future we shall have to descend to the pit of brutality again with them. How much shall have been lost until that desperate day is the question.

Posted by: Dron66046 2019-10-24 18:04

#11 Of course. Been tried. Not by the brightest.

The Crusades were mounted at a time of technological parity. As such, the Crusaders were unable to make a dent in the ummah without incurring enormous losses. We are in a period of overwhelming Western technological superiority. What we lack is civilizational confidence.

Posted by: Zhang Fei 2019-10-24 17:53

#10 Of course. Been tried. Not by the brightest. I meant after 9/11, and the rise of AQs and IS - we just witnessed the buildup of a legal, entrenched jihad and stood aside in political correctness. Today, even the thought seems impossible. To some it sounds like villainy.

Posted by: Dron66046 2019-10-24 17:39

#9 We should have massacred it out of our cities

The End of the Medieval Crusades

Posted by: Skidmark 2019-10-24 17:28

#8 giving their population a thin slice of what they want - theocracy-lite.

Sums up the Saudi tiger ride.

Islam is something the whole world has let continue to its own detriment. It's like letting some people carry an infectious disease because they claim a human right to. Now, it's too late.

We should have massacred it out of our cities, compressed them down to a minority huddled in caves and ghettos scrounging for sustenance until they died out or converted. A seemingly 'moderate' muslim also carries the seeds within him/her of being a poisonous facilitator of sheer inhumanity.

Posted by: Dron66046 2019-10-24 15:42

#7 Muslims seem to have no compunctions about THEMSELVES killing other Muslims.

That's because it's how power struggles have traditionally been settled, and not just in Islam, but in non-Western countries. Such clashes are on hold around most of the world mainly because of Pax Americana.

Posted by: Zhang Fei 2019-10-24 15:35

#6 Muslims seem to have no compunctions about THEMSELVES killing other Muslims. Most of the victims of terrorism these days seem to be Muslims. Or course, the Muslims being killed aren't the right kind of Muslims- Sunni vs Shi'ite, or one of the other groups that consider anyone less pious than they are as not really Muslim.

They only seem to object when a Westerner kills a Muslim.

Posted by: Rambler in Virginia 2019-10-24 15:25

#5 It's a real conundrum for a muslim to kill ISIS. At best one can expect them to look on sullenly as the true champions of islam are slaughtered by a non-muslim, or lapsed takfir party. I'll bet many are inwardly praising Allan and clapping for joy at what is happening while projecting a concerned face.

It's kind of funny you say this. I know someone who's a Muslim by tribal affiliation more than anything else. The guy does not do the halal thing, never goes to mosque, is thoroughly Westernized by all outward appearances. And he's a big fan of action movies. But when I recommended Blackhawk Down, he was negative about it, saying that he wasn't thrilled to see Muslims getting killed by non-Muslims. So this was a thoroughly secular (and American) guy in most ways, brought up in America from infancy, and yet he cringed at the thought of watching a movie in which bad guy Muslims were being swept out of the way by good guy Americans in order to better feed multitudes of Muslim civilians.

This is why I say people who think the Saudi royals are behind Muslim extremists are full of crap. They're basically clinging on to power by their fingertips by giving their population a thin slice of what they want - theocracy-lite. If they are toppled by popular revolution, their successors will be al Qaeda/ISIS/Muslim Brotherhood or whatever random Islamist movement emerges on top after the inevitable post-revolution power struggles are complete.

Posted by: Zhang Fei 2019-10-24 15:16

#4 Why we need to defend our own borders and get Prompt Global Strike up to speed. Get the IC out of the inside the Beltway inside baseball business totally. If FBI can't prove they are going straight on counterintelligence, get them out of it and let DIA do it.

Posted by: M. Murcek 2019-10-24 09:24

#3 Iraqis only killed them because they were wresting power from their regime and making it a madhouse. A lot of fortunes were at stake I presume.

Posted by: Dron66046 2019-10-24 05:21

#2 It's a real conundrum for a muslim to kill ISIS. At best one can expect them to look on sullenly as the true champions of islam are slaughtered by a non-muslim, or lapsed takfir party. I'll bet many are inwardly praising Allan and clapping for joy at what is happening while projecting a concerned face.

Posted by: Dron66046 2019-10-24 05:19

#1 If ISIS rebounded and ended up controlling half of Iraq that would be horrible for Iraqis but shouldn't the islamic world provide the troops to defeat ISIS.

Posted by: lord garth 2019-10-24 05:14

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