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| Are we killing people by using ventilators too soon |
| 2020-04-06 |
| [SmallDeadAnimals] ... high pressure intubation can actually wind up causing more damage than without, not to mention complications from tracheal scarring and ulcers given the duration of intubation often required… They may still have a use in the immediate future for patients too far to bring back with this newfound knowledge, but moving forward a new treatment protocol needs to be established so we stop treating patients for the wrong disease. The past 48 hours or so have seen a huge revelation: COVID-19 causes prolonged and progressive hypoxia (starving your body of oxygen) by binding to the heme groups in hemoglobin in your red blood cells. People are simply desaturating (losing o2 in their blood), and that's what eventually leads to organ failures that kill them a report from the front line  |
| Posted by:lord garth |
| #9 another 'be cautious in putting people on ventilators' article here some say that in NYC people are being put on ventilators too early to keep them from being infection sources (I hope this isn't true). |
| Posted by: lord garth 2020-04-06 18:28 |
| #8 intubation is an issue for long term tracheal damage, the solution, a tracheostomy. worked for me, just sayin' |
| Posted by: 746 2020-04-06 18:21 |
| #7 Wouldn't this hypothesis imply that the blood is flooded with massive amounts of virus protein that enters red blood cells disabling oxygen transport? Wouldn't these proteins in the blood be detectable and wouldn't their presence also imply a massive systemic infection with general organ failure? Essentially the bloodstream would be massively contaminated with debris of cells killed by the Wuhan virus. |
| Posted by: Elmerert Hupens2660 2020-04-06 15:37 |
| #6 I'm with Grom on this one. Should be very straight forward to verify one way or another. In the meantime, I'm willing to believe there is a lot about the virus we still don't know. |
| Posted by: Iblis 2020-04-06 13:46 |
| #5 Some guy in Waxahachie, TX (25 miles south of Dallas) made the news a few days ago, making a 'space helmet' device with hospital connections for air or O2. Local effort, most of the work is done by church volunteers. Maybe the church connection is why it didn't make the national news. |
| Posted by: Bobby 2020-04-06 12:36 |
| #4 M.Murcek: Yes March 31 |
| Posted by: swksvolFF 2020-04-06 11:45 |
| #3 SWAG - Silly Wild Ass Guess - there's probably a way to do this with a modified SCUBA setup... |
| Posted by: M. Murcek 2020-04-06 10:59 |
| #2 They are going to need the respirator because their chest muscles and diaphragm can't keep up with the effort, along with the effort costing lots of O2. Is there an alternative to using a ventilator (or how it's used) whether or not the virus is binding to the heme groups? |
| Posted by: gorb 2020-04-06 07:43 |
| #1 I suggest 24 hour rule - if this is true (which I personally doubt - too many things clash with what I do remember of basic physiology), the released iron in blood should be easily detectable. |
| Posted by: g(r)omgoru 2020-04-06 02:25 |