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| Number of patients in Israel recovering from virus passes [number of] new infections |
| 2020-04-17 |
| Posted by:g(r)omgoru |
| #41 Are those absolute figures or per capita figures? |
| Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain 2020-04-17 22:22 |
| #40 I just saw the April 17 IHME charts and discovered another possible reason for disparity of deaths. Texas has three times the number of ICU beds as NY and twice as many hospital beds. California is a bit less than Texas. Public/private/military hospitals included? I don't know, but the difference between NY and TX is shocking, to me. |
| Posted by: Bobby 2020-04-17 16:38 |
| #39 The prediction I made on Instapundit yesterday, that earned me great abuse: In a week of opening with a mask requirement, we'll hear complaints about how requiring masks is unconstitutional. Within 30 minutes there was a comment bragging how he'd told off a cop for trying to enforce an "unconstitutional" mask order. Did any of your abusers admitted they were wrong & apologized? |
| Posted by: g(r)omgoru 2020-04-17 14:53 |
| #38 "Wear masks, fine." The prediction I made on Instapundit yesterday, that earned me great abuse: In a week of opening with a mask requirement, we'll hear complaints about how requiring masks is unconstitutional. Within 30 minutes there was a comment bragging how he'd told off a cop for trying to enforce an "unconstitutional" mask order. And I'm with you grom. I'm also disappointed in Hoyt, because a year ago she'd have chewed your ear about how she got sick from a Soviet bioweapons lab accident when she was a kid. |
| Posted by: Rob Crawford 2020-04-17 14:24 |
| #37 Give me 2/1,my MRNA passes your GILD by the end of the year. |
| Posted by: bbrewer126 2020-04-17 13:49 |
| #36 And smoke a pipe. |
| Posted by: g(r)omgoru 2020-04-17 13:16 |
| #35 OK, peace. I understand you, and I trust you understand me. Let's bury the hatchet. |
| Posted by: Lex 2020-04-17 12:52 |
| #34 Now, Lex, whenever I said that? If you actually go through my posts all I said - I'm tired of people saying that quarantine isn't necessary, and what Swedes are NOT idiots. Let me summarize. (1) The longer you postpone a quarantine - the harsher it's going to be - that's the essence of the bet I offered you on Sweden. (2) Fauci is not a demon plotting to subvert your constitution - just a bureaucrat who screwed up at the beginning, but is doing a credible job since then. (3) Epidemiological models are not wrong in their qualitative predictions - you have to flatten the curve. (4) Ideology: whether Left or Conservative/Libertarian comes with blinkers (yes, I'm very disappointed in Sarah Hoyt). (5) The highseeds who think they can just let the big cities die, are living in a fantasy. Without the coasts, the flyover America is dead too. (6) A decision to ease quarantine (like any decision) is a balance between costs and benefits. Trump did both right & well to shove it over to governors. (7) The old (post WWII) world order is dead - Xi's Gift is just the last nail. In particular, USA service economy is dead. |
| Posted by: g(r)omgoru 2020-04-17 12:48 |
| #33 Jesus, g, what is with you? No one here us arguing there should not be any restrictions. Tight rules regarding anything and everything to do with eldercare, by all means. A temporary ban in large gatherings, sure. Wear masks, fine. But don't willy-nilly shut down every single shop and office and throw 30% of the population out of work for months. The average shop or small business has enough cash for less than one month of operations. That's normal. That's how the cash flow cycle works-- cash is oxygen to a capitalist economy. Shut down business for 2 months, and you starve these businesses of oxygen. They DIE: and No, they don't magically rise up again after two months. Most are GONE. Ruined. This is why sensible people look for a sensible middle course that avoids killing more people than will be killed by the virus. New York City per CDC data is now killing nearly as many New Yorkers who need urgent care as are dying from COVID. Does that make any f---ing sense? If you keep pretending that there is no sensible, balanced, selective and targeted middle course, then I have to assume you're arguing in bad faith. |
| Posted by: Lex 2020-04-17 12:31 |
| #32 /\ Lass doch die Kirche im Dorf. |
| Posted by: Clem 2020-04-17 12:26 |
| #31 Moenie die hoender ruk nie |
| Posted by: g(r)omgoru 2020-04-17 12:24 |
| #30 /\ Perhaps it's me, but I seldom do. |
| Posted by: Besoeker 2020-04-17 12:22 |
| #29 Lex, just admit you were wrong - you'll feel better afterwards. |
| Posted by: g(r)omgoru 2020-04-17 12:20 |
| #28 #24 Except that, it's, um, you know, NOT a total lockdown. Pubs, shops and schools are still open in Sweden but the government has barred gatherings of more than 50 people as well as visits to nursing homes. This makes my point exactly: a targeted, selective, judicious and sensible application of restrictions is the right approach. Not a panicky total shutdown of all economic activity. Balance, mesure, moderation, good sense. Понятно? |
| Posted by: Lex 2020-04-17 12:17 |
| #27 Grom may wish to spend the rest of his days in lockdown, but that's not a life worth living. |
| Posted by: Crusader 2020-04-17 12:13 |
| #26 That's why we're not using examples from Turkey & Iran, Garth. Why would Swedes & Dutch lie - to make themselves look bad? |
| Posted by: g(r)omgoru 2020-04-17 12:10 |
| #25 worldometers has a lot of limitations the countries report the data, no control on how they 'count'; also it is difficult to 'count'; also, the distribution within a country is important - NYC has, apparently, death rate per million population that is truly awful, some other places, e.g., Orleans parish in LA have similar death rates; however a lot of the USA has, apparently, comparatively minor infection rate and very low death rate |
| Posted by: lord garth 2020-04-17 12:04 |
| #24 ^Sweden’s parliament has passed a new law that gives the government temporary extra powers to bypass parliament to adopt emergency measures to curb the spread of the Covid-19 disease. I only bet on a sure thing, Lex. |
| Posted by: g(r)omgoru 2020-04-17 10:54 |
| #23 Perhaps their leaders will buckle. I doubt it. Again, there are two battles, not one: they (and we) must not kill the economy, mustn't destroy the village in order to save it. As NYC is already beginning to learn, a panicked response kills more people overall than a judicious and balanced one. |
| Posted by: Lex 2020-04-17 10:43 |
| #22 Go for #1, Malmo! Allan Snackbar! |
| Posted by: Frank G 2020-04-17 10:42 |
| #21 Sweden will be spared nothing. They'll enforce lockdown (which will make yours look trivial) but only after it's too late. |
| Posted by: g(r)omgoru 2020-04-17 10:38 |
| #20 Density ... common sense. Kind of like those old folks' homes....akin to trailer parks in a tornado. |
| Posted by: Clem 2020-04-17 10:37 |
| #19 #17 Yet both have per capita death rates 1/10 of the Swedes (well 1/3 for Germans). It's just these useless math equations again, but infection rate INCREASES with population density. |
| Posted by: g(r)omgoru 2020-04-17 10:36 |
| #18 I should say compare Sweden's fatality rate to ours -- and include the deaths of despair that will inevitably result from our destruction of our economy. Those will exceed the COVID deaths here; Sweden will be spared such fatalities. |
| Posted by: Lex 2020-04-17 10:34 |
| #17 Their population density isn't remotely comparable to Sweden's. Germany's 10x more dense, Israel's 20x. The cultural differences are also very significant and are related to the landscape. The Swedes have an exceptionally large number of people living alone, and they display a streak of self-reliance. We need to compare Sweden to another geographically large nation with low density, a strong Protestant ethos of self-reliance, and a Muslim minority between 6 and 10%. The US comes closest. |
| Posted by: Lex 2020-04-17 10:31 |
| #16 Why not Israel or Germany? |
| Posted by: g(r)omgoru 2020-04-17 09:35 |
| #15 Proposition: Sweden's fatality rate per million population will not exceed Britain's. |
| Posted by: Lex 2020-04-17 09:24 |
| #14 You're on - we'll see who's a month from now. And a year from now for American economy if you wanna partner with MM. |
| Posted by: g(r)omgoru 2020-04-17 09:19 |
| #13 I'll bet you my $GILD holdings you're wrong |
| Posted by: Lex 2020-04-17 09:11 |
| #12 ^What you seeing is daily variation in a 4 - 6 day cycle. These cycles average keeps increasing. By the time Swedes will impose a lockdown - and they will. They'll have more per capita death (and economic destruction - the two go together) than Iran. |
| Posted by: g(r)omgoru 2020-04-17 09:08 |
| #11 I did. The fatality rate is falling. Curve's been flattened in Sweden. I don't attack or impugn your expertise. Please cease attacking others'. Doesn't help anyone. |
| Posted by: Lex 2020-04-17 08:52 |
| #10 I go by worldometers. Just look at the graphs for Sweden - especially the one but the last. And, for Bucephalus' sake, learn to average over the 3 days cycle. |
| Posted by: g(r)omgoru 2020-04-17 08:48 |
| #9 Directly from the Swedish authorities' "FOHM COVID-19" extensive data reporting site, updated daily. btw G, did you spot this gem from the NYC data as reported by CDC? through April 11 NEW YORK CITY Deaths from all causes = 19,569 Percent of expected deaths (based on 3- year average) = 163 nb. No state in the union had a "percent of expected deaths" greater than 100. Only the city of New York. Now calculate the "unexpected" amount -- i.e. 63%/163 -- and you get about 8,000 additional deaths this year in NYC. But COVID only accounts for 4,483 of those! So that means NYC has seen ~3,500 additional, "unexpected" deaths at the same time as they've registered a similar number of COVID deaths. Obviously, they shifted resources away from one group of vulnerable patients to treat another group -- and ended up killing them both, resulting in 8,000 additional fatalities vs prior years. Nice job. |
| Posted by: Lex 2020-04-17 08:44 |
| #8 Your numbers are fake, and your conclusions are blind faith, Lex. |
| Posted by: g(r)omgoru 2020-04-17 08:28 |
| #7 G-credential man hates you. |
| Posted by: M. Murcek 2020-04-17 08:08 |
| #6 Again, the Swedish daily fatality rate peaked in the first week of this month and has been falling steadily since then. Sweden will not experience more than a few thousand fatalities from COVID. Sweden's fatalities per million population is about 130 -- significantly lower than the rates for the U.K. and for Holland, and similar to the rates for the US and Ireland. Sweden's COVID results will be similar to those seen in countries that have decided to crater their economies -- but Sweden will be spared the even greater number of deaths of despair resulting from economic devastation. |
| Posted by: Lex 2020-04-17 07:56 |
| #5 Alive in solitary confinement. Such a deal. |
| Posted by: M. Murcek 2020-04-17 07:36 |
| #4 According to "worldometers" Germany achieved the same a few days ago. Spain & Italy are almost there. On the other hand, non quarantine countries, like Holland and Sweden have a lot more new cases than recoveries. I fact, Sweden has more new cases per day than total recoveries. But at least, they've preserved their freedoms. |
| Posted by: g(r)omgoru 2020-04-17 06:45 |
| #3 This is good. May things get better. Lockdown of course helps. It negates chances of spreading the vector, until a solution is found. It was astute of them to do that. |
| Posted by: Dron66046 2020-04-17 05:45 |
| #2 More magic numbers. |
| Posted by: M. Murcek 2020-04-17 05:27 |
| #1 I guess the fascist lockdown had nothing to do with it. |
| Posted by: g(r)omgoru 2020-04-17 04:55 |