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False-Positive Tests Fueled the Panic
2020-07-16
[Mises] Imagine an articulate chief lemming bragging that not only had his followers jumped off a cliff, but that they had done so in far greater numbers than any other slice of the rodents. This is the position occupied by the US regarding testing for COVID-19.We’ve done more testing than any other country and bragged a lot about doing so; but no one seems to have survived to give a proper interpretation of the results.
A lot of mathematical stuff at the link.
The professional and college athletics departments are making the same error. They are testing their athletes daily or every other day using a test that is no better than 70 percent sensitive. Eventually all the players will test positive. They will be isolated for fourteen days, after which they may again test positive, ad infinitum.
Perhaps this explains some of the confusing reports we've read?
It should be obvious from the data above that all the testing we have done and continue to do has likely confused more than enlightened. The virus is real and in the wild. How should we effectively deal with it? The best indicator of our status is how many people are in the hospital because of a clinical diagnosis of viral pneumonia. More specifically, how many are in the ICU. Note that testing here is unnecessary, as the assumption today is that any case of viral pneumonia is caused by the coronavirus.
Since May 18, in the US, according to Wordometers, the number of serious or critical cases has varied between 18,000 and 15,000, roughly trending downwards. Bit of an uptick in the last week.
If our situation regarding the epidemic improves, widespread testing will have played no role in this improvement. Why any improvement? We recognized who the at-risk population was and they took shelter and continue to do so. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimates that mortality from COVID-19 in patients younger than 50 is 0.05 percent. Virtually all of this mortality in younger patients comes from those with comorbidity. We also have gotten better at treating patients with severe pneumonia caused by the coronavirus.

The virus is likely to be with us for some time. Epidemics end either when those most susceptible to the pathogen have been exposed to it or when an effective and safe vaccine is available. We don’t have such a vaccine. It’s hard to know when or if one will be available. And the logistics of manufacturing and administering billions of doses are formidable. In the meanwhile, we have to coexist with it while not destroying society, socially and economically, in the process. We will also have to admit that our current testing regime has alarmed the planet without contributing a health benefit.
But in April everyone told us we needed massive testing! I swear I remember that!
Posted by:Bobby

#9  "So if we only monitor deaths we'll at least have viable statistics."

If only. We are counting all deaths *with* COVID as deaths *from* COVID. In other words, if you die in a car crash and a postmortem test is positive for COVID (and all dead are being tested), then it's reported as a COVID death. I wish I were making this up.

Also, keep in mind the ~30% false positive rate from current tests.
Posted by: Iblis   2020-07-16 16:13  

#8  To be straight, the tests to indicate if you died are still valid right?
So if we only monitor deaths we'll at least have viable statistics.

Deaths are going down.
Posted by: rjschwarz   2020-07-16 15:26  

#7  My take and reduced worry level of the C-19.

I don't pay attention to the always increasing number. Because naturally if you add 1 to a number it increases and the medias usual PANIC laced headline follows: Convid-19 Virus cases surge (citing the total number),

What we do know:
* nationwide C-19 testing is finally underway.
More testing obviously produces what? If you said increased results correct.

* More testing increases false positives results.

* False Positives range from 15.2% to 26.9% we are told this by the CDC/WHO/NIH and etc...

* Plus testing uncovers 10's of 1000's that have the antibodies by either natural or acquired immunity. Or had a mild to bad cold and were over in 2-3 days at home.
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So here is how I look at the numbers:

there are ## Million residents in my state X # were infected over over 200 days since c-19 arrived. So on any given day of those 200 days X # of people were NOT INFECTED vs. how many that were. X # of Infected died vs. X number that did not die, out of ## Million.

Now use the US population of 342,000,000 (342M) X 200 days = 68,400,000,000 (68.4B) My odds getting C-19 are 68B ./.# of reported c-19 cases that day.

My odd of dying are FAR FAR LESS.




Posted by: NN2N   2020-07-16 14:24  

#6  Ok. Let me try this a different way. How many of us know someone who passed in the last year from cancer, heart attack, accident, etc? Now, compare that number to COVID deaths.
Posted by: Iblis   2020-07-16 14:06  

#5  Dude I played rugby with and he’s only 45 was on a respirator for 2 months. He made it, but barely
Posted by: Beavis   2020-07-16 13:16  

#4  My Doc has 3 in ICU for 7 weeks so far.
(753 positive in the county, 8 dead)


My 2 degrees of separation is a gentleman who was unable to receive a stent due to 'elective' surgeries being postponed. Also, I'd say people on this board will have a higher rate of acquaintance with the vulnerable just based on age. But point taken.
Posted by: Iblis   2020-07-16 12:12  

#3  My Doc has 3 in ICU for 7 weeks so far.
(753 positive in the county, 8 dead)

I think that's 2 degrees of separation.
Posted by: Skidmark   2020-07-16 11:58  

#2  If this were a deadly worldwide pandemic, we'd all know it. We'd personally know people who had died. There wouldn't need to be scary headlines daily to remind us.
Posted by: Iblis   2020-07-16 11:20  

#1  Georgia's Governor VOIDS mask mandate in 15 cities and counties but encourages residents wear them voluntarily as coronavirus cases surge in the state
Posted by: Skidmark   2020-07-16 10:23  

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