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Another Beheading in France! UPDATE: Multiple Attacks and Attempts Across France
2020-10-29
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Update from Bright Pebble’s Sun link at 11:30 a.m. ET — added to the article to make it searchable later:
Three people were killed in a bloody rampage which saw a suspected terrorist storm the Basilica of Notre-Dame in Nice, south of France. Armed cops stormed Notre Dame - the largest Roman Catholic church in Nice - and shot the suspected terrorist, wounding him at around 9am local time.

And then police confirmed a man shouting "Allahu Akbar" while brandishing a knife was shot dead 160 miles away in Avignon.

Meanwhile, a security guard at the French Consulate in Jeddah was stabbed and left with minor injuries.

Le Parisien also reported a knifeman was caught near a church in Paris after telling his family he wanted to copy the attack in Nice.

And a another man - who was described as known to French intelligence services - was arrested while he was about to board a tram armed with a 12inch knife.

President Emmanuel Macron said: "France is under attack."

He denounced the Nice bloodbath as an "Islamic terror attack" and defiantly said the nation would not "give up on our values".

The president announced up to 7,000 soldiers will be deployed to the streets across France in the wake of the violence to protect landmarks, schools and places of worships.

France has now raised its alert status to the highest possible level of "terror attack emergency".

Police sources said the Nice suspect gave his name as Brahim A and his age as 25, while Nice-Matin reports he is from Tunisia and not known to authorities. It was claimed the man recently arrived in France after travelling from Lampedusa, an Italian island known as a landing point for migrants from Tunisia.

One of the victims of the Nice attack - a woman, reportedly aged 70 - was said to have been decapitated inside the church. It was widely reported in French media she was beheaded, and the city's mayor also confirmed the nature of the injuries, as well as police sources speaking to Reuters.

The male victim who was stabbed to death is said to be the church's 45-year-old sacristan, an officer charged with taking care of the church.

The third victim - a also woman, said to be in her 30s - reportedly managed to escape and took refuge in a nearby bar where she succumbed to her injuries, reports BFMTV.

Nice mayor Christian Estrosi said the attacker kept shouting "Allahu Akbar" even after he had been shot - and said it had all the hallmarks of a "terror attack".

He said: "Enough is enough. It's time now for France to exonerate itself from the laws of peace in order to definitively wipe out Islamo-fascism from our territory."

And the attacks have happened as Muslims celebrate the holy day Mawlid, which marks the birth of Mohammed.

Another witness told Nice-Matin: "I saw a guy come out like crazy from the church, running.

"Within thirty seconds, between four and six city policemen chased."

A representative of the French Council for the Muslim Faith strongly condemned the attack. In a statement, they said: "As a sign of mourning and solidarity with the victims and their loved ones, I call on all Muslims in France to cancel all the celebrations of the holiday of Mawlid."

France has launched a crackdown on radical Islam, announcing it has searched more than 120 homes and closed down a mosque in Pantin.
...following the beheading of Samuel Paty.
Update from the Daily Mail at 4:20 — key points only, taken from a more detailed comment:
  • Tunisian migrant Brahim Aoussaoui, 21

  • He beheaded both the female parishioner, 70, and male church warden Christian Loques, 45, then fatally stabbed a woman of African origin in her 30s.

  • The man arrested with a knife near a church in Sartrouville after his father reported he was about to carry out a Nice-style attack

  • The knifeman arrested trying to board a tram is an Afghan man in his 20s; the incident took place in Lyon

  • The Avignon gunman shot dead by police belonged to the anti-Islam Identarian Movement, and he was making a Nazi salute as he waved around a gun in nearby Montfavet

  • Aoussaoui is thought to have arrived in France via Italy, after being smuggled across the Mediterranean, having snuck into Lampedusa on September 20, then Italy on October 9 before being released by the authorities
  • Posted by:3dc

    #41  MSNBC On Islamist Terror Attack In France: ‘We Don’t Know The Motive’ Yet…

    Hey Islamists. Joe Scarborough says Mohammed is a pig effer. You going to take that?
    Posted by: Woodrow   2020-10-29 22:25  

    #40  Casinø Réel, ou, "All in!"

    "Bonsoir!" hisses Monsieur Cimeterre,
    Ce musulman très débonnaire,
    As the French lose their heads...
    Well, the blacks and the reds.
    And the rest? Gallic shrug. "C'est la guerre."
    Posted by: Gerthudion Lover of the Heathen Rus4773   2020-10-29 22:05  

    #39  Islam grows in Sweden. Its goal?
    Next holiest place: the North Pole!
    How comes it to pass
    That the Arctic is grass?
    Cold Mohammedans thrive on the dole.
    Posted by: Gerthudion Lover of the Heathen Rus4773   2020-10-29 21:55  

    #38  Not weighing in anywhere here, but there was a quote in the book Myth of the Andalusian Paradise, and let me paraphrase a bit here because I am without the book because, memorable - not just by me, but throughout history enough to make it into said book:

    The Muslim mind is superior to the Christian (European) mind because their mind freezes in the cold; but all are superior to the African mind which melts in the heat.

    Now before anyone starts throwing stuff at me, this is from a transcript explaining/justifying why European slaves went for a higher price than African slaves.
    Posted by: swksvolFF   2020-10-29 18:05  

    #37  That should read "return" key, but the delimiters got swallowed by the UI.
    Posted by: KBK   2020-10-29 17:49  

    #36  O. Dhahran: If you would press the key a couple of times once in awhile, you'd be much more readable.
    Posted by: KBK   2020-10-29 17:48  

    #35  Regarding the equator deal, it never really occurred to me that the original expansion of Islam was very East/West in nature.
    Posted by: rjschwarz   2020-10-29 17:43  

    #34  
    From the Daily Mail:
    Tunisian migrant, named locally as 21-year-old Brahim Aoussaoui, beheaded an elderly parishioner and a male church warden, named as 45-year-old Christian Loques, before fatally stabbing a third woman described as of African origin and aged in her 30s.

    Elsewhere a security guard was stabbed and wounded outside the French consulate in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, while two other men were arrested - one while carrying a knife near a church in Sartrouville after his father reported he was about to carry out a Nice-style attack, and another who tried to board a train in Lyon carrying a long blade.

    It was thought that police had foiled another Islamist attack in the town of Avignon when an armed man was shot dead by officers after refusing to drop his weapon. However, it later transpired the man was part of the far-Right, anti-Islam Identarian Movement, and had made a Nazi Salute. French media initially reported the man shouted 'Allahu Akbar', which turned out to be incorrect.

    Aoussaoui is thought to have arrived in France via Italy, after being smuggled across the Mediterranean. According to Italian newspaper Ill Messaggero, he arrived on the island of Lampedusa on September 20 before being transferred to coronavirus quarantine.

    He was then taken to a migrant centre on the Italian mainland on October 9, before being told to leave Italian territory and released. From there, he made his way to France. It is not clear precisely when he arrived.

    Italian security services are now investigating why Aoussaoui was freed rather than detained awaiting deportation.

    Meanwhile Eric Ciotti, a local councillor, tweeted: 'I have just asked President Macron to suspend all migratory flows and all asylum procedures, particularly at the Italian border. We must protect the French!'

    In Sartrouville, north of Paris, a man was arrested around 1pm after his father called police and said his son had left home and planned 'to do as in Nice.'

    Police stopped the man in his car near a local church, and Le Parisien reports that he was in possession of a knife. The car was searched, but nothing else was found.

    Meanwhile in Lyon, an Afghan man in his 20s was arrested while trying to board a tram carrying a long knife. The man was known to French intelligence services.

    In Avignon, a man armed with a handgun began threatening people in the Montfavet around 11.15am while shouting Allahu Akbar, France1 reported. Police rushed to the scene and confronted the man, who refused to drop his weapon. Police then shot the man with a Taser, which failed to stop him, so they opened fire with live ammunition, killing him.

    French anti-terror investigators have announced they are leading the probe into the attack in Nice, but have not yet taken up the investigation in Avignon.


    I’ll append the key points to 3dc’s article for future searchability, A pity that Identitarian gunslinger in Avignon got himself killed, but kudos to the Sartrouville father who reported his son to the police in time.
    Posted by: trailing wife   2020-10-29 15:49  

    #33  Jiling Gravitch9209 is stuck at the toilet training stage. He poops his little pellets, then disappears rather than converse.
    Posted by: trailing wife   2020-10-29 15:30  

    #32  Jiling does talk-to-text nonsense but is clearly into butt stuff
    Posted by: Frank G   2020-10-29 14:43  

    #31  To Jiling: Would please explain for us here what your reasoning is?
    Posted by: Ospas Dhahran 49   2020-10-29 14:29  

    #30  
    Posted by: Jiling Gravitch9209   2020-10-29 14:04  

    #29  Thank you :)
    Posted by: Ospas Dhahran 49   2020-10-29 13:45  

    #28  Interesting observations OD49
    Posted by: Frank G   2020-10-29 13:33  

    #27  ^ Respected as well.
    Posted by: Ebbomoger Speaking for Boskone4589   2020-10-29 13:33  

    #26  OD49. Your opinions and view points are informative, highly respected and valued 100% by me. Very Best Regards.
    Posted by: Angeater Omick2705   2020-10-29 13:28  

    #25  To Chesney: But all religions didn't start in the same location. Islam started far away down in Saudi. 1000 years ago the distance from Mecca / Medina to Jerusalem was like going to the moon. To look at distances with today's ability to cover it within hours is a huge mistake. Try walking on foot from these two cities today.. Even that's unthinkable. Budaism, , Hinduism, etc didn't alll originate in the Levant. The only two that had location in common was Chritianity and Judaism but even those two arose centuries apart. Culture place a greater role in determining how religion adapts and reacts to changes in technology. Today we are witnessing a harsh unforgiving "ideology" called Islam trying to adapt to the whirlwind of change it is experiencing. These attacks are the result of the inability for it to inculcate change. Its Achilles heel is its inability to adapt to rapid change, Hence it lashes out at all change regardless of wether it makes sense or not. One cannot reason with an illogically reasoned position. It falls on deaf ears. Please don't take offense in my rebuttal. I'm simply stating how see things. Regards.
    Posted by: Ospas Dhahran 49   2020-10-29 13:17  

    #24  To Ebbo: I see your point, but I would say that the violent prone people were not outcast to the harsh environment, but rather they always were in the harsh places. The sterile environment pays a large part in creating the violent culture. What I think happened over time is that this population was inherently very small throughout the past 1000 years. The few that migrated away over centuries were very small in number as these harsh nomadic people (Bedu) could only maintain their numbers steady via by having females have an 8 or more fertility rate. Even consanguinity was enormously high. Google (Aramco medical studies on consanguinity. Lots of Locums in the 1950's to the Dharan hospital) Having 6 to 8 children without any dairy procuts to replace the calcium loss for women giving som many births meant that female and infant mortality rate were astronomical up until post WW2. Islam population in the Peninsular was very low, child mortality rates high and so the tradition of having 4 wives to ensure offspring make sense from just a survival perspective. Today its totally reversed. Saudi has one of the highest FALLING birth rates. From 8 per fertile female down to 3 within 4 decades.
    Posted by: Ospas Dhahran 49   2020-10-29 13:04  

    #23   Problem with this opinion is all religion started in the same exact locale if DNA and anthropology are valid.

    I guess you're saying atheists have it right( dreamed up in Europe), in which case study the history of atheist rule in the communist empire
    Posted by: Chesney Spoluse8538   2020-10-29 12:58  

    #22  Tipping point, anyone? What if World War III is fought in Europe and sees France and Germany on the same side, with most of the rest joining the parade in short order?
    Posted by: M. Murcek   2020-10-29 12:48  

    #21  Ospas Dhahran 49, welcome aboard.

    Harsh environment populations were originally peoples whose ancestors were outlaws and had no where else to flee to and their persecutors decided allowing them to live in hell (desert sands and the occasional oasis and adjacent seaside) was sufficient punishment. What they did not expect was the renegades adapted enough to venture from hell periodically to raid, pillage and subject. Population growth caused migration but not a change in immoral habits and traditions as they moved into civilization. But sometimes civilization experiences down times thus some nations leaders do the same things as those who live in harsh climates (i.e. Hitler during the depression).
    Posted by: Ebbomoger Speaking for Boskone4589   2020-10-29 12:04  

    #20  Ecrasez-les
    Posted by: Je Suis Charlie Martel 6492   2020-10-29 11:50  

    #19  whyis it always located in areas close to the equator?

    Dunno. To facilitate interstellar travel? To enable efficient transmission of guns germs & steel?
    Posted by: Alistaire Speger1159   2020-10-29 11:46  

    #18  And the attacks have happened as Muslims celebrate the holy day Mawlid, which marks the birth of Mohammed.

    As with the left's abortion enthusiasm, murder is a sacrament for Muslims.

    He said: "Enough is enough. It's time now for France to exonerate itself from the laws of peace in order to definitively wipe out Islamo-fascism from our territory."

    There's the problem right there.

    It's not "Islamofascism".

    It's just Islam.

    Stop trying to create meaningless qualifiers and distinctions.

    When are the men of France going to stand up and start killing these sub humans.

    When they can be certain they won't arrested or killed by the authorities for doing so, while their families lives are ruined.

    When will the women of the West stop giving majorities to the scum that enable this trash?

    Posted by: charger   2020-10-29 11:42  

    #17  Been following Rantburg for a long long time. Using many different IPs. Retired now and exited the system. Can now speak freely. Lots more to unleash. Here's the idea that caused lots of analysts in 3 letter orgs to stop pontificating and simply think. Question is: If Islam has such a huge following for over 1000 years.....(this is not disputed)....then why is it always located in areas close to the equator? It doesn't have a history in location s closers to both Poles. Western (Judaic / Christian) culture is located in all sorts of climates, all sorts of geographical locations. Russian Jews, Christian in jungles, Australian deserts, islands, tundras, grassland, Swiss mountain sides. But Islam hugs the equator AND lands with very poor agriculture. Why. From there on its all unfolded.... Cheers. (Oh and your Thugburg reference list came in handy fairly often......)

    I think I once commented some time ago under the name DhaRtAbqUdh or something like that..... Back when Abqaiq was first attacked, not its second time.....
    Posted by: Ospas Dhahran 49   2020-10-29 11:38  

    #16  Camp Des Saints realise
    Posted by: Zorba the Slender8199   2020-10-29 11:22  

    #15  Goodness, Ospas Dhahran 49 — you have clearly been thinking about this for some time! It’s a good thing you found Rantburg, my dear.

    Via PJ Media, an undated video taken somewhere in France:

    Posted by: trailing wife   2020-10-29 11:05  

    #14  Islam is a "temperature dependent” ideology. What ? That’s crazy..... No, it is as It comprises a set of human logic created because its originators were NOT exposed to winter (long predictable periods of time when growing food is basically impossible) and in addition it began in one of the few places on earth without any top-soil, no rivers or streams, no forests, no grasslands and which has for centuries sustained an absence of rainfall (not decades of drought but over a 1000 years of drought) Secondly, this ideology was kept in check by its inherently illogical approach to economic productivity. Humans moving from a Nomadic culture to an Agrarian one is structurally different in its logic and values. Nomadic culture has no understanding nor appreciation of the link between human effort exerted and the wealth and food it creates. Food it taken, sex is taken, objects are not made but taken from other humans. Nomadic culture understand that food/wealth/objects of value/ even procreation as things that simply exist, than other have and one has to take them to acquire them. Stealing, theft, the use of force (even towards women/spouse) in order to obtain thus justified and seen as logically valid ways to not just improve oneself but just to stay alive. Agricultural development is totally different. Land / food /spouse requires indivuals effort to obtain. The connection between ones effort and ones wealth thus becomes undeniable. It requires staying in one place (think stability, villages & inheritance), which necessitates ownership of property (land, crops, water rights, laws, and predictable relationships (written agreements, laws rather than temporal edicts.) All this require all parties to honor others’ predicaments, property, opinions and ideas. Technology really exploded when Agraian culture came into being. Think of coexistence, an appreciation of "mine not yours" and having real consequences for stealing. Most importantly all agricultural societies that have left behind their nomadic tendencies have an extended period of time where growth of food is not possible. This time period which we call "winter" is predictable. We KNOW it’s coming. The key difference between Islam which is an ideology stuck in its Nomadic upbringing and the cultural logic of today's Agricultural / Industrial / Information age cultures is that winter teaches humans to be AWARE of time. A predictable period in which one HAS no ability to get more food. When humans were essentially ALL substance beings winter meant that if you ate all your food without planning ahead, your chances of getting through the winter to procreate next spring was zero. The filtering process of death meant those that were aware procreated and grew in number. Winter inculcates a real sense of self control over one's baser and immediate desires. Thus a lack of real appreciation of time is what sets nomadic culture from all that comes after it. An awareness of time then creates an ability to plan ahead. People become independent thinkers, not simply followers, the exact opposite of what is meant by "Umma". These traits are not totally absent from Islam, but they are sufficiently absent that one can easily still see its undergirding today. The inability to win wars (takes strategic planning not just the luck of having hordes of sword swinging men rushing towards the enemy) That the '67 war for example. The lack of books printed in Islamic lands. The continued emphasis on memorization and not a true understand of what one is reading. The inability to debate well on TV about their beliefs. The enormous lack of Nobel prizes amongst Islamic people as a percentage of their world population. The recent (historically speaking) past has allowed a sudden oil wealth to paint over these intellectual and cultural gaps. A facade was been carefully nurtured these past decades. That 60+ year flow of petro-dollars allowed for both their ideology and the West's weak understanding of Islam to be placed aside. Today most people just have a Media’s carefully derived perspective of Islam. Just look most people’s views of Dubai and Abu Dhabi, Riyadh & Doha. These city(States) are physically and visually impressive, but lack long term economic stability or growth potential. Riyadh's not particularly impressive at all, its spread far an wide, totally bleak..... Fracking is what has taken the huge bite out of this capital flow into Islam. Fracking is just an application of a technology (the ability to create extreme high water pressure on a mobile platform and be able to move it from one wellsite to the next over the formation) This has unleashed oil reserves which were well known to Geologists to exist as far back as the 1950's but which were deemed impractical to extract due to the lack of any known technology that was economical. This technology genie is now out of the bottle and will never be returned. The pressure to stop fracking is NOT due to any real environmental or physical problems. The current push to stop fracking (todays US election topics) is done by parties who wish to return to having huge capital flows back to the Middle East because those huge funds are easy to identify and skim off percentages for corrupt politicians or bureaucrats. Its hard to skim funds from hundreds of small fracking companies located all over the world. Just remember.... Islam is an ideology that was created by a culture that was nomadic. That means it has no sense of time and or appreciation for self control. Hence the use of force and violence is often the go to method to get what one wants. The recent two knifings in France. It isn't productive effort that yield satisfaction for the follower but the taking and subjugation of others who are productive, or want stopped or have things they desire. Violence is preferred rather than reasoning. I’ve said enough…… Bye.
    Posted by: Ospas Dhahran 49   2020-10-29 10:47  

    #13  Maybe it's time to bring back Madame Guillotine.
    Posted by: Rambler in Virginia   2020-10-29 10:45  

    #12  President Dubya, what was that you said about a certain religion of peace?

    "Islam is Peace" Says President
    Remarks by the President at Islamic Center of Washington, D.C.
    September 17, 2001

    Posted by: Elmerert Hupens2660   2020-10-29 10:21  

    #11  Chop the necks of the unbelievers. It's drilled into their minds in the madrassas. Along with some rather bizarre body cleansing rituals.
    Posted by: jpal   2020-10-29 10:17  

    #10  So the Pope is not the only one attacking Christians.
    Posted by: Ebbomoger Speaking for Boskone4589   2020-10-29 10:07  

    #9  Successful business man Trump and the American people who elected him, refuses to let these "refugees" in. Politicians never get it right.
    Posted by: Angeater Omick2705   2020-10-29 09:27  

    #8  One of ours, ten of yours. Comprends?
    Posted by: Lonzo Slunter7475   2020-10-29 08:15  

    #7  Need a new French Resistance.
    Posted by: Clem   2020-10-29 08:14  

    #6  When are the men of France going to stand up and start killing these sub humans.
    Posted by: Mad Eye Angonter1301   2020-10-29 08:11  

    #5  I can't help but think of the instructive tale of 'the most humane mule trainer on earth' and the resultant moral; you have to communicate with the subject in an idiom they can understand.

    So, if their 'book' commands they desecrate other holy places and behead innocents, I say we see them and raise them until an understanding can be reached. That is certainly the way it has worked traditionally.
    Posted by: Cesare   2020-10-29 07:44  

    #4  But the French seem to draw correct conclusions
    French police shoot armed man near Avignon who shouted 'Allahu Akbar'
    Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2020-10-29 07:24  

    #3  President Dubya, what was that you said about a certain religion of peace?
    Posted by: Clem   2020-10-29 06:54  

    #2  Sun link here

    France ‘terror’ attack: Woman & man beheaded as 3 die in stabbing inside Nice church by killer ‘shouting Allahu Akbar’

    Which will work best?
    Gun control?
    Knife Control
    Border control (don't let those infected with islam in)?
    Posted by: Bright Pebbles   2020-10-29 06:50  

    #1  Lone wolF NTDWI worries about backlash on peaceful muslims?



    Posted by: Bright Pebbles   2020-10-29 06:49  

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