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Barr: No evidence of fraud that'd change election outcome
2020-12-02
WASHINGTON (AP) — Attorney General William Barr said Tuesday the Justice Department has not uncovered evidence of widespread voter fraud that would change the outcome of the 2020 presidential election.

His comments come despite President Donald Trump's repeated claims that the election was stolen, and his refusal to concede his loss to President-Elect Joe Biden.

In an interview with The Associated Press, Barr said U.S. attorneys and FBI agents have been working to follow up specific complaints and information they’ve received, but they’ve uncovered no evidence that would change the outcome of the election.

"To date, we have not seen fraud on a scale that could have affected a different outcome in the election," Barr told the AP.

The comments are especially direct coming from Barr, who has been one of the president's most ardent allies. Before the election, he had repeatedly raised the notion that mail-in voter fraud could be especially vulnerable to fraud during the coronavirus pandemic as Americans feared going to polls and instead chose to vote by mail.

Last month, Barr issued a directive to U.S. attorneys across the country allowing them to pursue any "substantial allegations" of voting irregularities, if they existed, before the 2020 presidential election was certified, despite no evidence at that time of widespread fraud. That memorandum gave prosecutors the ability to go around longstanding Justice Department policy that normally would prohibit such overt actions before the election was certified. Soon after it was issued, the department’s top elections crime official announced he would step aside from that position because of the memo.

The Trump campaign team led by Rudy Giuliani has been alleging a widespread conspiracy by Democrats to dump millions of illegal votes into the system with no evidence. They have filed multiple lawsuits in battleground states alleging that partisan poll watchers didn’t have a clear enough view at polling sites in some locations and therefore something illegal must have happened. The claims have been repeatedly dismissed including by Republican judges who have ruled the suits lacked evidence. Local Republicans in some battleground states have followed Trump in making similar unsupported claims.

Trump has railed against the election in tweets and in interviews though his own administration has said the 2020 election was the most secure ever. Trump recently allowed his administration to begin the transition over to Biden, but has still refused to admit he lost.

The issues Trump’s campaign and its allies have pointed to are typical in every election: Problems with signatures, secrecy envelopes and postal marks on mail-in ballots, as well as the potential for a small number of ballots miscast or lost.

But they've also requested federal probes into the claims. Attorney Sidney Powell has spun fictional tales of election systems flipping votes, German servers storing U.S. voting information and election software created in Venezuela "at the direction of Hugo Chavez," — the late Venezuelan president who died in 2013. Powell has since been removed from the legal team after an interview she gave where she threatened to "blow up" Georgia with a "biblical" court filing.

Barr didn't name Powell specifically but said: "There's been one assertion that would be systemic fraud and that would be the claim that machines were programmed essentially to skew the election results. And the DHS and DOJ have looked into that, and so far, we haven’t seen anything to substantiate that," Barr said.

He said people were confusing the use of the federal criminal justice system with allegations that should be made in civil lawsuits. He said such a remedy for those complaints would be a top-down audit conducted by state or local officials, not the U.S. Justice Department.

"There’s a growing tendency to use the criminal justice system as sort of a default fix-all, and people don’t like something they want the Department of Justice to come in and ’investigate,’" Barr said.

He said first of all there must be a basis to believe there is a crime to investigate.

"Most claims of fraud are very particularized to a particular set of circumstances or actors or conduct. They are not systemic allegations and. And those have been run down; they are being run down," Barr said. "Some have been broad and potentially cover a few thousand votes. They have been followed up on."
Posted by:746

#24  I guess the Russiagate investigation is "not over", either, eh, Billy Boy [Barr]?
Posted by: Clem   2020-12-02 16:35  

#23  Theager, they did not just distort the news, they flat out lied. From the link I posted above:

A DOJ spokesperson had said that “Some media outlets have incorrectly reported that the Department has concluded its investigation of election fraud and announced an affirmative finding of no fraud in the election. That is not what the Associated Press reported nor what the Attorney General stated. The Department will continue to receive and vigorously pursue all specific and credible allegations of fraud as expeditiously as possible."

The DOJ spokesperson uses the term "incorrectly reported". That too, is being more than generous.

I heard them say last night on the CBS Evening News that Barr, one of Trumps' most loyal cabinet members, had debunked Trump's "wild claims" of fraud.

That's a lie. So, the question becomes, why do they feel the need to lie?

Posted by: Abu Uluque   2020-12-02 15:59  

#22  Typical mainstream leftist progressive media, DISTORTING the news into disinformation. "TO DATE" is a pretty strong qualifier, since most of the investigations have yet to report findings.
Posted by: Theager Borgia1057   2020-12-02 15:11  

#21  Good finds, Ulavirong Omeager2818 and Abu Uluque.
Posted by: trailing wife   2020-12-02 14:57  

#20  See also: DOJ issues clarification—investigation into voter fraud is NOT over

A far cry from what I heard CBS reporting last night about how Barr had debunked Trump's "wild claims" of fraud. That's right. They said "wild claims". I thought that was rather unprofessional of them to use words like "wild" which makes the report more like an opinion piece than straight news reporting, especially since CBS claims to be a reputable news organization.
Posted by: Abu Uluque   2020-12-02 14:04  

#19  Deep Stater Barr is the twisted one. At least with Eric Holder you knew what you were getting or what to expect.
Posted by: Clem   2020-12-02 14:01  

#18  ^Spoilsport.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2020-12-02 13:36  

#17  Barr Comments 'Twisted' By AP, DoJ Says Not Done Probing Election Fraud
The Department of Justice (DOJ) issued a statement on Tuesday in response to the backlash from an article by The Associated Press which quoted Attorney General William Barr saying that “to date, we have not seen fraud on a scale that could have effected a different outcome in the election.”

“Some media outlets have incorrectly reported that the DOJ has concluded its investigation of election fraud and announced an affirmative finding of no fraud in the election. That is not what the Associated Press reported nor what the Attorney General stated,” a DOJ spokesperson said, according to CBS News reporter Catherine Herridge.

“The Department will continue to receive and vigorously pursue all specific and credible allegations of fraud as expeditiously as possible.”

The Epoch Times reached out to the DOJ to confirm the statement but did not immediately receive a response.

In its headline, The Associated Press twisted Barr’s comment to suggest that the attorney general has passed final judgment on whether fraud occurred in the 2020 election. “Disputing [President Donald] Trump, Barr says no widespread election fraud,” the wire service reported.
Posted by: Ulavirong Omeager2818   2020-12-02 13:30  

#16  ^ I learned that by reading Rantburg.

The application of this principle here is that if fraud can be proven in an election, even if what was proven was not sufficient to affect the outcome, it must be assumed that the entire election was fraudulent and so it cannot be certified.
Posted by: Abu Uluque   2020-12-02 12:42  

#15  

falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus
Posted by: Abu Uluque   2020-12-02 12:39  

#14  There is only one path to the Supreme Court. With the fraud, which was well done, separating ballots and envelopes, etc., there is no way to identify which votes are fraud and which ones are real. So they have to attack the totals by county.

They have to show that there are more votes than registered voters, more votes that qualified voters, the number of dead voters, the number of 100% votes for one person. For example 135% of the Maricopa county voters voted for Biden, impossible. They have to show the number of votes compared the total population over 18, etc… They will not be able to prove that the bias was for biden, they will be able to prove that fraud existed. They will then have to look at the state and see if removing the total county vote will change the outcome for the state. For example: if the determine that removing Maricopa county would flip the state of AZ then the AZ vote total is unacceptable. They will not be able to flip the state and give it to trump, they have not solid vote to count. Same would play for Nevada, Penn and the rest. The Supreme Court would then be forced to say there is no honest way to determine a winner. They would then be forced to hand it to the Congress for a vote and Trump would win.
Posted by: 49 Pan   2020-12-02 12:28  

#13  If Biden beat Obama's 2008 by 11 million votes, then there is at a minimum 11 million fraudulent votes.
Posted by: flash91   2020-12-02 12:27  

#12  The Justice Department is only one avenue to get this thing fixed, and the slowest. The private lawsuits filed by the Trump campaign and associated teams led by Lin Wood and Sydney Powell, among many others, are perfectly capable of taking their evidence-supported arguments to state and federal supreme courts — and will do so in a timely manner, unlike AG Barr’s people.

And after his announcement, no court will be able to argue that they should wait for DoJ’s actions on the subject.
Posted by: trailing wife   2020-12-02 11:52  

#11  R.I.P., Republic. 230 years was a good run.

Now cheating in elections will be the norm.

Anyone wishing to influence public policy or law will be forced to join the Uniparty, kowtow to China, self-flagellate before the Wakandan idiots and make nice to the tech overlords.
Posted by: Pholuth Cravirong3905   2020-12-02 11:16  

#10  ^*correction* Rudy Giuliani and his associate attorneys refutes Barr saying the many election fraud witnesses have NOT been contacted by the FBI about what they witnessed.
Posted by: Ebbomoger Speaking for Boskone4589   2020-12-02 10:38  

#9  Rudy Giuliani and his associate attorneys refutes Barr saying none of the many election fraud witnesses have NOT been contacted by the FBI about what they witnessed.

Posted by: Glerese Elmavise9607   2020-12-02 10:30  

#8  "...people don’t like something..."

So, you are saying people need to like this fraudulent sh!tshow, Punk.

Barr's Professional Bio (A wall streeter.)
William Pelham Barr is an American attorney serving as the 85th United States Attorney General since 2019, previously holding the office from 1991 to 1993. From 1973 to 1977, Barr was employed by the Central Intelligence Agency during his schooling years. He then served as a law clerk to judge Malcolm Richard Wilkey. In the 1980s, Barr worked for the law firm Shaw, Pittman, Potts & Trowbridge, sandwiching a year's work in the White House of the Ronald Reagan administration dealing with legal policies. Before becoming Attorney General in 1991, Barr held numerous other posts within the Department of Justice, including leading the Office of Legal Counsel and serving as Deputy Attorney General. From 1994 to 2008, Barr did corporate legal work for GTE and its successor company Verizon Communications, which made him a multimillionaire. From 2009 to 2018, Barr served on the board of directors for Time Warner.

Roger Stone Accuses Bill Barr of 'Deep State' Connection Following Voter Fraud Dismissal(Link)
[Newsweak] Donald Trump's longtime ally Roger Stone has accused Bill Barr of being a "block for the deep state," after the attorney general shot down claims Trump lost the election due to widespread voter fraud.

In a video posted to right-wing social media site Parler, Stone accused Barr of being implicated in a conspiracy theory that there is a secret layer of government featuring unofficial individuals and advisers that influence key decisions and policies.

Trump has frequently suggested the existence of a "deep state" working against him...



Posted by: Ebbomoger Speaking for Boskone4589   2020-12-02 10:20  

#7  Helen Keller Award 2020
Posted by: Mercutio   2020-12-02 10:08  

#6  WTF? Is Barr serious or is this a head fake?
Posted by: JohnQC   2020-12-02 10:01  

#5  Alternatively: there is no _actionable_ voter fraud--nothing we can prove. The stuff that did the damage was deniable--wouldn't stand up in court.

Think mail-in ballot systems without adequate safeguards--designed that way so that "no vote be uncounted".
Posted by: James   2020-12-02 06:55  

#4  There is no voter fraud.
There is no widespread voter fraud.
There is no proof that fraud altered the outcome of the election.

Keep moving the goal posts.
BTW, the entire legitimacy of the government is at stake, that certainly altered the outcome of the election.
Posted by: Procopius2k   2020-12-02 06:15  

#3  Do you think maybe BARR's Judgement is a little tainted?

Quoting Forbes Mag.
"The year after he left Verizon, he joined the boards of two publicly traded companies, Dominion Resources and Time Warner. From 2009 to 2018, Dominion paid Barr $1.2 million in cash and granted him another $1.1 million in stock awards, according to SEC filings. "

FORBES
Posted by: NN2N1   2020-12-02 05:51  

#2  First problem is:
Investigations only uncovered the tip of the iceberg
SEcond problem is: Change or not change the outcome election fraid is still a crime and his duty is to put fraudsters in jail and that includes Joe Biden, Kamala Harris and Nacy Pelosi iff needed
Posted by: JFM   2020-12-02 03:34  

#1  "There’s a growing tendency to use the criminal justice system as sort of a default fix-all, and people don’t like something they want the Department of Justice to come in and ’investigate,’" Barr said.

No, I don't particularly "like" potential criminal activity at the voting booth. Please investigate.
Posted by: Besoeker   2020-12-02 03:27  

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