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The Grand Turk
In Historic Move, Biden Says 1915 Ottoman Massacres of Armenians Constitute Genocide; Turkey is furious
2021-04-25
President Biden does not like wannabe neo-Ottoman sultan Recep Tayip Erdogan I, the otherwise much beloved.
[ENGLISH.AAWSAT] US President Joe The Big Guy Biden
...46th president of the U.S. I'm not working for you. Don't be such a horse's ass....
on Saturday said the 1915 massacres of Armenians in the Ottoman Empire constituted genocide, a historic declaration that infuriated The Sick Man of Europe Turkey
...the occupiers of Greek Asia Minor...
and is set to further strain frayed ties between the two NATO
...the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. A collection of multinational and multilingual and multicultural armed forces, all of differing capabilities, working toward a common goal by pulling in different directions...
allies.

The largely symbolic move, breaking away from decades of carefully calibrated language from the White House, will likely to be celebrated by the Armenian diaspora in the United States, but comes at a time when Ankara and Washington have deep policy disagreements over a host of issues.

Ottoman Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu said Turkey "entirely rejects" the US decision which he said was based "solely on populism".

Biden’s message was met with "great enthusiasm" by the people of Armenia and Armenians worldwide, Armenian Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan wrote in a letter to the US president.

In his statement, Biden said the American people honor "all those Armenians who perished in the genocide that began 106 years ago today."

"Over the decades Armenian immigrants colonists have enriched the United States in countless ways, but they have never forgotten the tragic history ... We honor their story. We see that pain. We affirm the history. We do this not to cast blame but to ensure that what happened is never repeated," Biden said.

Turkey rages at US recognition of Armenia genocide

[AlAhram] The Sick Man of Europe Turkey
...the only place on the face of the earth that misses the Ottoman Empire...
on Saturday accused the United States of trying to rewrite history, resoundingly rejecting US President Joe The Big Guy Biden
...46th president of the U.S. S Joe's wife and daughter weren't killed by a drunk driver. He didn't graduate with three or even two degrees, wasn't in the top half of his law class, and his daddy didn't come home from a hard day's work in the mines and play football with the guys. The NAACP hasn't endorsed him every time he's run....
's decision to formally recognise the Armenian genocide.

From the streets of Istanbul to the halls of power, Turks were united in anger at Biden's decision to side with Armenia, La Belle France, Germany, Russia and numerous other countries in their interpretation of the horrific World War I events.

"Words cannot change or rewrite history," Ottoman Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu tweeted moments after Biden announced his decision.

"We will not take lessons from anyone on our history."

Biden became the first US president to use the word genocide in a customary statement on the anniversary of the 1915 to 1917 massacre, which happened as the Ottoman Empire unravelled.

Trying to soften the inevitable blow to the pride of the strategic NATO
...the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. A single organization with differing goals, equipment, language, doctrine, and structure....
ally, Biden on Friday placed the first phone call since his election to Erdogan.

The two leaders agreed to meet on the sidelines of a NATO summit in June, and Erdogan -- who has spent his 18 years in power trying to fight the US decision -- carefully calibrated the weight of his response.

In a message to the Armenian patriarch in Istanbul, Erdogan accused "third parties" of trying to politicise the century-old debate.

"Nobody benefits from the debates -- which should be held by historians -- being politicised by third parties and becoming an instrument of interference in our country," Erdogan wrote.

On a more conciliatory note, Erdogan said Turkey was "ready to develop our relations with Armenia based on good neighbourhood and mutual respect".

- 'VERY BAD STEP' -
But the message from Cavusoglu's foreign ministry was strident.

"We reject and denounce in the strongest terms the statement of the president of the US regarding the events of 1915 made under the pressure of radical Armenian circles and anti-Turkey groups on 24 April," the foreign ministry said in a separate statement.

"It is clear that the said statement does not have a scholarly and legal basis, nor is it supported by any evidence," it said.

"With regards to the events of 1915, none of the conditions required for the use of the term 'genocide' that is strictly defined in international law are met."

The Armenians, supported by many historians and scholars, say 1.5 million of their people died in a genocide committed under the Ottoman Empire, which was fighting tsarist Russia in areas that include present-day Armenia.

Turkey accepts that both Armenians and Turks died in huge numbers during World War I, but vehemently denies there was a deliberate policy of genocide -- a term that had not been legally defined at the time.

Turkey puts the Armenian corpse count at around 300,000.

Ordinary Turks said Biden's recognition of the genocide underscored the troubled nature of Turkey's current relationship with Washington, which had once benefited from Erdogan's personal friendship with Donald Trump
...New York real estate developer, described by Dems as illiterate, racist, misogynistic, and whatever other unpleasant descriptions they can think of, elected by the rest of us as 45th President of the United States...
"It's a very bad step. Our relationship is already really bad with the US, and this will only worsen it," said Istanbul resident Dilek Mercin.

"During a war, things happen to both parties, so it is meaningless to call it like that," added Selda, a pensioner.
Posted by:Fred

#15  Thanks for knowing where the photo comes from.

Apparently, it’s a tame depiction.

Historical photos at this link:
http://www.genocide-museum.am/eng/photos_of_armenian_genocide.php
Posted by: cingold   2021-04-25 23:53  

#14  Bill tossed back his poolside martini.
"That Turk! What a terrible meanie!"
"Yes, downright un-Christian...
Let's use crucifixion,"
Keened Hollywood, dreaming of Jeannie.

Ravished Armenia
Posted by: Sheba Sinatra9468   2021-04-25 22:11  

#13  Please limit the width of graphics to 500 pix.

Learning from history is important.

That would include learning that the Turks (as then constituted) inflicted grave atrocities upon the Armenian segment of the human race. Hopefully, the Turks have changed for the better, but (by denying the atrocity) the Turks undermine our confidence that they have changed. It’s like Germans who argue Hitler was misunderstood — I’ve met them & they miss the whole point that any level of holocaust is a bad thing.

We are one race—diverse, unified—the human race.

Devine & bedeviled, we’re best off speaking to our better angels. We are majestic or monsters—in every age, worldwide, no matter our skin color, nationality or creed.

All it takes for evil to prevail is for good people to do nothing.

“No group consists entirely of decent or indecent people”
~ Victor Frankel

~•~

Most people can see that what happened to the Armenians was genocide. That recognition has widespread, bipartisan support in the USA and worldwide. Beijing Biden recognizing the obvious is simply an attempt by his handlers to shore up his reputation, which is in a profound state of contemptuous collapse.

The undeniable photographic evidence from the time (depicting what the Turks did to the Armenians) sure lacks any other explanation than flat out genocide of the Armenians.
Posted by: cingold   2021-04-25 16:40  

#12  Is there any statues of Suleiman The Magnificent we can tear down?
Posted by: Slappy   2021-04-25 14:39  

#11  Can Joey ring up the President of the Vandals?
Posted by: Clem   2021-04-25 13:18  

#10  Votes/Support/Pandering. Especially in California.
Posted by: Clem   2021-04-25 13:17  

#9  So what exactly is the point of this after 100+ years? What interest of ours does it serve to point this out now?

What next, a ringing condemnation of the sack of Rome by the Vandals in 410?
Posted by: Tom   2021-04-25 13:15  

#8  Joey, the foreign policy whiz-kid. But, hey, I'll give him this one.

But, Armenia is pretty tight with Russia going back over 100 years. That should bother Joey and The Dems, or?
Posted by: Clem   2021-04-25 12:50  

#7  just moslems being moslems, aka 'some people did something'
Posted by: Retard Strength   2021-04-25 11:23  

#6  24 April is Armenian Genocide Remembrance Day.

Congress passed an Armenia Genocide Resolution in 2019. There is a near consensus among historians that it was a genocide. There is enormous documented evidence.

The only real debate is on the numbers with low estimates at about 1.0M and higher estimates at 1.5M.

Turkey also forcibly converted 100k+ Christian children to Islam in that time period. Turkey also
wiped out much of of the Syriac Christian and a similar percentage of the Greek Orthodox. Combined deaths of these two populations were over 100k.

Before 1920 the Armenian Genocide was the worst such event in Western history.

Later in the 20th century was the Holodomor in the Ukraine (early 1930s), the Holocaust (40s), the Cambodian Class Genocide (70s) and the Rwandan Genocide (90s).

If you add all the deaths of these previously mentioned genocides, they still are fewer than the 25 to 50 million deaths from the Chinese Great Leap Forward beginning in the late 1950s.

The GLF is generally not considered a genocide because Mao presumably believed his policies would work to bring prosperity and ideological purity.

Another case is the Muslim Genocide in India. It lasted from about 1000 to the late 1700s. Certainly more than 100M Hindus were killed, many in battle but many more in massacres.
Posted by: Lord Garth   2021-04-25 09:05  

#5  Did they consider the troops hostages we still have there?
Posted by: Procopius2k   2021-04-25 07:37  

#4  At first glance it does seem like the thing to do, but then you have to think about motive and Mandarin Bei-Den's track record so far. The actual motive might be to further widen the breach between Turkey and the West, not that Yip-yip needs any help in that arena.
Posted by: Mercutio   2021-04-25 07:07  

#3  pretty much everyone played the bad guy at multiple points

But there is our bad guys and their bad guys.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2021-04-25 04:57  

#2  Not really.
The story is much, much more complicated (ala the Balkan Wars) and pretty much everyone played the bad guy at multiple points.

As I remarked before, this episode of theater is mostly aimed at driving up the rental prices on Turkish Armed Forces for E.U. and other western aligned factions.
Posted by: Nomad   2021-04-25 04:14  

#1  Even a stopped clock shows right time twice a day?
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2021-04-25 00:48  

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