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And now for something lighter
2021-08-01
[JPost] - The Knesset these days looks like an unemployment center surrounded by a city playground. One day someone comes to get a job. The next day it looks like a fistfight is about to break out.

Just take a look at the last week. On Monday, Religious Zionist MK Itamar Ben-Gvir took to the Knesset podium and refused to refer to Joint List MK Ahmad Tibi, who was running the session, by the title "Mr. Chairman," as MKs have traditionally begun their remarks.

When Tibi ordered him to do so, Ben-Gvir refused and called Tibi a terrorist. When Tibi called on Knesset ushers to remove Ben-Gvir from the podium, the MK, who is not exactly small, put up a fight, holding on to the sides of the podium for dear life.

The next day, Shas MK Moshe Abutbul called Labor leader Merav Michaeli a "beginner woman" who made a mistake bringing that "Reform guy" into the Knesset referring to MK Gilad Kariv, a Reform rabbi, who later that day saw the entire Shas Party get up and walk out of the plenum when he took to the Knesset podium.

If that wasn’t enough, UTJ MK Moshe Gafni called Prime Minister Naftali Bennett a "murderer," and then MK Ya'acov Litzman yelled at Kariv to "shut up," who in turn called the haredi parliamentarian a "disgrace" and "defender of pedophiles."
Posted by:g(r)omgoru

#27  Live action, Grom.
Posted by: Dron66046   2021-08-01 23:54  

#26  I hope personal combat by members of Congress in Congressional chambers while Congress is in session comes back into fashion.
Posted by: Bubba Lover of the Faeries8843   2021-08-01 22:33  

#25  I hope dueling among our politicians comes back into fashion.
Posted by: rjschwarz   2021-08-01 19:23  

#24  ^Anime or live action?
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2021-08-01 17:09  

#23  ^ Yes, there's that.

As for the movie, it was shit. Shit I tell you. Now I'll go watch Rourouni Kenshin.
Posted by: Dron66046   2021-08-01 16:35  

#22  #19 Well, IMO, anyone who wants to rule is already not playing with the whole deck.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2021-08-01 16:00  

#21  Two minutes into the thing and I realized this whole thing sounded grand to me thirty years ago. GI JOE... heh!
Posted by: Dron66046   2021-08-01 15:53  

#20  ^Human nature haven't changed. All this modern "social evolution" happened mutatis mutandis in Roman history.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2021-08-01 15:48  

#19   a general overthrowing a king and being a disaster?

It was actually the disastrous kings being thrown down by generals who then fixed stuff. Just remembered. One cannot superimpose the lessons learned from European history and their lousy precipitate called representative democracy on all cultures, Grom.
Posted by: Dron66046   2021-08-01 15:47  

#18  Yes of course. I wasn't thinking that far back, though. I'd like to believe a lot is possible today but not a repeat of feudal/royal times.
Posted by: Dron66046   2021-08-01 15:44  

#17  And now I'm off to watch GI JOE Snake Eyes. While the character is still a heterosexual non-African male. ☺
Posted by: Dron66046   2021-08-01 15:41  

#16  ^But before that. In 3000 years there were no cases of a general overthrowing a king and being a disaster? Or a great conqueror proving to be a lousy peace time ruler?
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2021-08-01 15:40  

#15  Nope. I'm afraid India has only been consistently done in by the civ pols. If we're still standing it's because we kept out job reservations, caste appeasement and welfare politics out of the forces, and carefully selected who to give a uniform to. And the only times we were able to advance militarily or securitywise against our combined enemies was when the military was trusted by a smart leader. Only had one or two of those. Like Indira Gandhi, our own Golda Meir.
Posted by: Dron66046   2021-08-01 15:36  

#14  Yes, that's a problem. And I can't say that a couple decades of military service would produce a patriot who was incorruptible or not stupid.

History provides plenty of counter-examples: all these Roman & Byzantine generals who took the throne and been a disaster - or, passed the rule to a son who was a disaster.
For that matter, closer to home, I believe that Itzhak Rabin almost destroyed Israel - only Arabs' inability to control their blood lust saved us.
I'm sure you can think of similar examples from Indian history.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2021-08-01 15:22  

#13  Yes, that's a problem. And I can't say that a couple decades of military service would produce a patriot who was incorruptible or not stupid. Of course there needs to be consensus too. Maybe I'm wrong. It's probably my frustrations...

I can only shoot off here at the 'Burg, among you friends. In my realm I have to see these dysfunctional appendages of state flounder trying to perform, all for lack of leadership. Leadership which could be applied, if the leader didn't have to worry about votes.
Posted by: Dron66046   2021-08-01 15:00  

#12  I have always said absolute power needs to rest in fewer hands, and those hands need to be committed to the people not process.

Now all we have to do is find a way to chose moral & intelligent leaders and give then the power. The Devil is in the details.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2021-08-01 14:38  

#11  They'll roll over the establishments set up by hordes of bickering buffoons with weak hearts and no balls. Not talking about a State like Israel, where the leaders are all ex-military and survival is considered the primary imperative that outweighs other considerations. But even with you it's touch and go these days.

Some nation states modified the standard European pattern taught to the world to suit their real needs, some still enamored by western progress thought it was this that everybody needed to commit to to achieve greatness. We are witnessing first hand what all the greatness has wrought. I have always said absolute power needs to rest in fewer hands, and those hands need to be committed to the people not process.
Posted by: Dron66046   2021-08-01 14:20  

#10  ^^Or, what about all these countries with Presidents for life.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2021-08-01 14:09  

#9  ^Didn't work with royalty.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2021-08-01 14:08  

#8  Well, I'm happy that you're happy for it, Grom. I suppose it has its cute moments. My money's on Presidents for life and diverse opinions and narrow interests all told to stow it.
Posted by: Dron66046   2021-08-01 14:02  

#7  #5 Not as vibrant, though, as some others:
Supreme Court judge named suspect in Haitian president’s assassination
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2021-08-01 13:47  

#6   ^This is vibrant, functioning dramedy democracy Dron

HEH! FIFY!
Posted by: AlmostAnonymous5839   2021-08-01 13:23  

#5  ^This is vibrant, functioning democracy Dron.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2021-08-01 13:14  

#4  No Asian parliament is complete without this nonsense I suppose. This whole type of government to me is a silly farce. Not such a problem if the ones really in charge are all military and the stupid thing is only for the constitutionally minded.

Nations where this passes for actual government are the really unfortunate ones.
Posted by: Dron66046   2021-08-01 12:47  

#3  What prompted such behaviors in the Knesset you ask ?
Bacon Air Fresheners, were placed in the Air Conditioning System - An Iranian Trick, No Doubt
Posted by: Varmint Noodleman2559   2021-08-01 12:10  

#2  ^He, he, he
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2021-08-01 11:15  

#1  I thought Taiwan had this entertainment venue tied up.
Posted by: Procopius2k   2021-08-01 08:31  

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