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| Unvaccinated adults 50+ are 17x more likely to die than vaxxed counterparts |
| 2021-08-24 |
| h/t Hot Air [FOX11] - Los Angeles County reported 2,781 new cases of COVID-19 and 10 additional deaths Sunday, though health officials said the case numbers and deaths may reflect delays in weekend reporting. ...As of Aug. 7, unvaccinated adults between 18 and 49 years old were 25 times more likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19 than vaccinated adults of the same age. It's not as simple to measure the number of times more likely this unvaccinated demographic is to die from the disease because there have been "virtually no deaths in vaccinated members of this age group," according to Public Health officials. When you lost FOX, what's left? All ECMO-bound COVID patients in Israel below age of 60, data shows [YNet] - Israeli ECMO Association says all unvaccinated patients who were on ECMO since start of 4th wave passed away, while older people, some with underlying health conditions, survived because they were fully vaccinated So, if I adopted the debating mannerisms of Ranburg's anti-vaxxer squatters, I would be compelled to say something along the lines p.s. Lets do an informal census. How many of 'burg regulars are vaccinated with mRNA, and how many had serious side effects? Israeli anti-vaxxers submit ethics complaint to ICC - report [JPost] - Anshei Emet (People of Truth), a group against coronavirus vaccination, filed a suit against the Israeli government with the International Criminal Court (ICC) earlier this month, arguing that Israel’s administration of the coronavirus vaccine and policies to encourage vaccination are considered "crimes against humanity" according to the Nuremberg Code. Our monkeys always imitate American monkeys. ...Despite the suit’s claims of severe side effects, death and injuries allegedly related to the vaccine, Health Ministry data released amid the vaccination campaign showed that only about 0.25% of Israelis who received the vaccination experienced any side effects, and that the vast majority of these reported side effects were light and temporary, including general weakness and headaches, dizziness, feeling faint, muscle pain, fever, joint pain, nausea, stomach pain, chills, throat pain, coughs and runny noses. But, in USA, hundred of thousands die - to believe our resident anti-vaxxers. It must be the diet. |
| Posted by:g(r)omgoru |
| #50 Longitudinal analysis shows durable and broad immune memory after SARS-CoV-2 infection with persisting antibody responses and memory B and T cells natural immunity is 80% more effective than vax https://www.cell.com/cell-reports-medicine/fulltext/S2666-3791(21)00203-2 note - they plan to go down for maintaience tonight - "Maintenance Warning: Cell Press journal websites will be undergoing maintenance on Wednesday, August 25 from 12:01 AM to 4:00 PM US Eastern. During this window we have temporarily deactivated the Registration feature. If you already have an account, you can login, however, profile updates, purchases and subscription activations will be disabled until after the upgrade. We apologize for the inconvenience. " This is an NIH study |
| Posted by: newc 2021-08-24 19:03 |
| #49 Fauxi now hedging on vaxx mandates. Says we can wait and see what 2022 looks like. Sounds like the circus is getting ready to strike its tents. |
| Posted by: M. Murcek 2021-08-24 17:37 |
| #48 Pfizer. Slightly sore the first time, significant fatigue the next day for the second (but not sore). One of our daughters was sick with the bug for three months. I don't know if the predisposition was from my side or not, but I didn't want to fool around. |
| Posted by: james 2021-08-24 15:28 |
| #47 I have had it with the Medical Industrial Complex. They are worse then the IC. |
| Posted by: Grusotle Bumble4501 2021-08-24 15:26 |
| #46 Moderna x 2. Also had COVID-19 very early on, ~November 2019. It was hard to shake. No real side effects from vaxes. I am 72 with badly damaged lungs (not a smoker) and usually get pneumonia once a year, but not this year or last. |
| Posted by: Whiskey Mike 2021-08-24 15:01 |
| #45 ^Now, exactly what did I do, TW, that justifies that person's language? You'll react to people trying to tell the truth about the fraud surrounding potential treatments of the virus as if they're going to try to filter the vaccine out of your blood. |
| Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain 2021-08-24 14:54 |
| #44 Moderna: no side effects. |
| Posted by: borgboy 2021-08-24 14:02 |
| #43 Now, exactly what did I do, TW, that justifies that person's language? Posted by g(r)omgoru Your stunning lack of awareness amazes me. Try this on for size: 1. You have wished financial ruin upon the unmasked and unvaxed. 2. You have wished death upon the unmasked and unvaxed. 3. You are joyous when notable non-vaxers perish. 4. You whine to TW and the mods. I'm not speaking for Raj. I'm sure he will put it more eloquently. As for the rest of you vaxers. I wish you the best of luck. I hope the vaccines work as well as promised. Many of my close family are vaxed and I want them (and all) to be well. For now the vax is not for me. |
| Posted by: The Walking Unvaxed 2021-08-24 12:50 |
| #42 We have concerns about final daughter, who was diagnosed this year as immunocompromised Four in 10 immunosuppressed people have 'low or undetectable' levels of Covid antibodies after two vaccines, Government-funded study finds — as pressure mounts for booster jab rollout |
| Posted by: Skidmark 2021-08-24 12:40 |
| #41 Got AstraZeneca-Oxford. Felt nothing different that day. However, jab site was sore and I had a mild headache and body pain the next day. No fever though. But the effects were mild enough that I didn't feel the need to take a leave from work. Everything back to normal the next day. |
| Posted by: Rhinemann 2021-08-24 12:31 |
| #40 I got the Moderna and had no problems, in fact I got tired of having to sit for 15 minutes afterwards so left early. My daughter got Moderna and she didn't have any problems either. I'm embarrassed to admit I don't know what vaccine my son and family all got back in Virginia except for my daughter in law who didn't receive the vaccine since she was pregnant. They all came down with COVID feeling miserable for a week then were all fine, so their added natural immunity is reassuring. My Kaiser Dr recommends that I get the booster, I'll probably get it since any long term problems at my age are irrelevant |
| Posted by: Jan 2021-08-24 12:07 |
| #39 ^Now, exactly what did I do, TW, that justifies that person's language? |
| Posted by: g(r)omgoru 2021-08-24 12:03 |
| #38 The people who made it a religion co-opted the debate. No reason for non COVID religion zealots to engage them. |
| Posted by: M. Murcek 2021-08-24 12:01 |
| #37 Unfortunately it has been almost impossible to have a civil educated debate about COVID-19. In Germany just like in the U.S. |
| Posted by: European Conservative 2021-08-24 11:58 |
| #36 ..and g(r)om's still an asshole. So are you, my dear Raj, and very proud of it. Both of you refuse to see that Israel’s situation is very different than America’s, while both of you ignore how different it is India, leaving Dron56046 in peace. Please stop. |
| Posted by: trailing wife 2021-08-24 11:54 |
| #35 Moderna shots, sore shoulder for a day on both occasions, and that's it. ...and g(r)om's still an asshole. |
| Posted by: Raj 2021-08-24 11:36 |
| #34 Reports from Israel: https://www.thedailybeast.com/ultra-vaccinated-israels-debacle-is-a-dire-warning-to-america |
| Posted by: Vespasian Ebboting9735 2021-08-24 11:16 |
| #33 You adults really make a mountain out of a molehill. |
| Posted by: Wren 2021-08-24 10:32 |
| #32 I respect everyone’s choice, but I am tired of the flame wars which serve only to harden opinions. Amen, TW. I decided I value the people I know here more than my opinions. I figure I don't have to agree with anyone so much as I have to find them agreeable to be around. I hope I sorta make the cut in that regard myself. |
| Posted by: M. Murcek 2021-08-24 10:21 |
| #31 Cheeseburger pizza Buffalo wing pizza - bleu cheese dressing to dip is a must. |
| Posted by: M. Murcek 2021-08-24 10:15 |
| #30 Pfizer/Biontech 2x for Mr. Wife, me, trailing daughter #1, final daughter, and my 95-year old mother. td#2 and her husband were vaccinated as soon as it was available to them, though they both probably had Covid in 2020 — td#2 was pretty sick at the time. My two siblings and my sister-in-law, Mr. Wife’s sister, her husband, their adult daughters and their husbands all vaccinated. I seem to recall that the niece who is a nurse-practitioner on a Covid ward caught it at one point, but recovered pretty quickly — and then got vaccinated when that became available. Typical mild side effects in the first two days after the vaccination all around. We have concerns about final daughter, who was diagnosed this year as immunocompromised and has been getting generalized immunoglobulin infusions in an attempt to boost her immune response — they let her get the Covid vaccine though they were pretty sure it wouldn’t do much for her. So Mr. Wife plans to get the booster shot to add an extra layer of protection so that he doesn’t bring illness into the house. I figure I’ll wait — I don’t go out into the world nearly as much as he does, so the odds I’ll be exposed to anything are much lower. And I have no idea whether my mother plans to get the booster when it comes out. In Mr. Wife’s extended family we’ve lost a few relatives to Covid, and had a scare a few months ago when the youngest nephew, age 2, was diagnosed with it — but after a miserable few hours he was as bouncy as ever. We have friends who have needed hospitalization, at least one who survived being on a ventilator... and one dear friend who was only moderately ill months ago, but is very unhappy to be still dealing with reduced energy and brain fog. And friends’ friends & relatives who have gotten terribly ill or died. My darling father- and mother-in-law have refused the vaccine, so we are all very careful to stay away from them when anyone is ill or has been exposed. I respect everyone’s choice, but I am tired of the flame wars which serve only to harden opinions. |
| Posted by: trailing wife 2021-08-24 10:10 |
| #29 "Well, if you will just come this way and sit, and chew on this confit. There'll be a slight prick, it won't hurt a bit." "Ayuh, Doctor Hell, but only do tell, in this some genetic shit, that turns men into pussies at eighty eighyit?!" Don't be offended, this is the AstraZeneca side effect. |
| Posted by: Dron66046 2021-08-24 10:05 |
| #28 #21 😂 |
| Posted by: g(r)omgoru 2021-08-24 09:43 |
| #27 Yawn. Tell me more lies Medical Industrial Complex |
| Posted by: Regular joe 2021-08-24 09:36 |
| #26 J&J for both wife and me. She had slight tenderness at the jab site for the evening. I had nothing. (I am already on a baby aspiring regimin.) She had been repeatedly and closely exposed (pre-vax) to people with covid but apparently never caught it. I was exposed (pre-vax) too and probably did get a mild case (based on timing and symptoms, not tests.) As Besoeker said, I'm old enough to not be too concerned about potential long-term negative effects of the vaccines, but I do distrust the government... |
| Posted by: Glenmore 2021-08-24 09:36 |
| #25 Both wife and I (60+) had Pfizer, no effects but sore arm, somewhat more for the second jab. No down time. |
| Posted by: Nero 2021-08-24 09:28 |
| #24 myself and my wife both had the Moderna vax. No problems for me, 10 minutes of moderate dizziness for wife son had Moderna, no problems daughter had Pfiser, no problems |
| Posted by: Lord Garth 2021-08-24 09:20 |
| #23 Pfizer for me - chills the night of the second shot, Moderna for the wife with no side effects. |
| Posted by: Tennessee 2021-08-24 08:46 |
| #22 Both of us got the Moderna, Mrs. Ret slight arm tenderness right arm @2nd shot; otherwise nothing. Anticipated incapacitation following 2nd shot per news scare so batches of lasagna prepared. Somewhat disappointed that no SIQ time followed. |
| Posted by: USN, Ret. 2021-08-24 08:45 |
| #21 Ref #12: Any 'mod' to my generics would likely result in a positive outcome. |
| Posted by: Besoeker 2021-08-24 08:36 |
| #20 Pfizer. Some heat at the injection site for several days, both times. Not much other reaction, similar to a flu shot. However, my lifts were off by 10% until several weeks after the second injection. I'm 80. |
| Posted by: KBK 2021-08-24 08:24 |
| #19 Pork pepperoni for one. Second preference smoked chicken. Yammy. |
| Posted by: g(r)omgoru 2021-08-24 07:52 |
| #18 No major side effects among vaccinated children, initial Israeli data suggests |
| Posted by: g(r)omgoru 2021-08-24 07:47 |
| #17 Which kind of pizza? Pork pepperoni for one. Second preference smoked chicken. |
| Posted by: Dron66046 2021-08-24 07:47 |
| #16 I wish they vaccinated kids too. :( |
| Posted by: Wren 2021-08-24 07:44 |
| #15 Oh... have had the odd urge for rhyming snark since then. And pizza for some reason. Which kind of pizza? |
| Posted by: g(r)omgoru 2021-08-24 07:41 |
| #14 Pfizzer, 2 + 1 (it lasts (approx) six months). Dull shoulder ache on second - but I did shopping that day (say 15 kilo (30 pounds)). |
| Posted by: g(r)omgoru 2021-08-24 07:39 |
| #13 Besoeker, P2k you're vaccinated - I shouldn't have worried. |
| Posted by: g(r)omgoru 2021-08-24 07:36 |
| #12 #7 Besoeker, remember I recommended wikipedia "protein synthesis"? It is written in non-technical language, and - once you read it - you'll see that mRNA doesn't modify your genetics. |
| Posted by: g(r)omgoru 2021-08-24 07:35 |
| #11 Moderna: sore arm, slight flu symptoms on first shot |
| Posted by: Frank G 2021-08-24 07:30 |
| #10 J&J, next day something akin to a mild flu, gone the following day. No soreness in the arm cause I was taught to drop and do twenty after shots along time ago. |
| Posted by: Procopius2k 2021-08-24 07:27 |
| #9 I got the AstraZeneca thingy. I don't think the mRna ones had come out yet. Slight pain in arm, legs in night. Went on my run the next day as usual. Oh... have had the odd urge for rhyming snark since then. And pizza for some reason. Maybe that's a side effect. |
| Posted by: Dron66046 2021-08-24 07:18 |
| #8 J&J, no side effects that I noticed. Out of caution I took an extra low dose aspirin every day for a month as a guard against clots. Full disclosure, I never have tested positive for COVID at any time before or since being vaccinated. |
| Posted by: M. Murcek 2021-08-24 07:15 |
| #7 We're both seniors and went ahead and got the Maderna. No side effects, back to afternoon naps the next day. Our extended family came down with the damn COVID and it was pretty rough. They HAD been vax'd and got a light case, which put them out of action and quarantined for 2+ weeks. We were hold outs. My major concern are the unknown the long-term effects, which at our age really doesn't mean much. The huge gov't push was my other concern. That needs little further explanation. I've spent too much time around Washington to trust those greedy, self-serving bastids for anything. |
| Posted by: Besoeker 2021-08-24 07:06 |
| #6 Pfizer, some shoulder ache the first day, retirement unaffected. |
| Posted by: Bobby 2021-08-24 07:00 |
| #5 "How many of 'burg regulars are vaccinated with mRNA, and how many had serious side effects?" I'll go first: Pfizer/Biontech (Comirnaty), 2 times. Side effects: Arm muscle a bit pressure sensitive for a few hours, a few warm flushes for a few hours, a bit tired the next day. I wouldn't even call this "side effects". The second jab had even milder side effects that vanished a few hours later. I got back to work one hour after both vaccinations. |
| Posted by: European Conservative 2021-08-24 06:54 |
| #4 One hand patting yourself on the back, the other... |
| Posted by: Frank G 2021-08-24 06:45 |
| #3 The local FOX affiliate is completely woke running the first 12 minutes of each evening broadcast covid related stories. Same routine each night. |
| Posted by: The Walking Unvaxed 2021-08-24 06:20 |
| #2 From the Los Angeles County Department of Public Health. Right because the would not lie, much. |
| Posted by: Woodrow 2021-08-24 05:08 |
| #1 Just so much garbage news. Coordinated propaganda news network to keep the fear going. The truth has left the building. I am in the public day to day and can see the reality. People are living their lives free of this organized chronic psychosis. Then consider 5G and soon 6 GT. Say what you will but people are standing their ground. Not all will swallow the propaganda. |
| Posted by: Dale 2021-08-24 04:23 |