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China-Japan-Koreas
Evergrande: Huge debt threatens to collapse, a big hit to markets but where did the money go
2021-09-22
By Paul Wallis

[DigitalJournal] Just about everybody in the world has been saying for years that the world’s overheated property market was a rising risk. China’s Evergrande is scaring the hell out of the property and credit markets. The group has $305 billion in debt. It’s behind on debt payments. A turgid litany of headlines is looking increasingly doom-laden.

These gigantic debts are currently “assets” to Evergrande’s lenders. Some or all of the $305 billion is on balance sheets as assets. Remove a few billion in assets from your balance sheets, and you get a mess. So a lot of major credit providers may lose those “assets” soon enough. The current bond deal scramble is just one debt, but there are many more. This issue isn’t solved, and non-payments aren’t resolved, either.

This practice of leveraging debt and borrowing against debts owed isn’t exactly new. Global markets borrow and lend on this basis. Everyone borrows and lends to everyone else. When it gets to $305 billion vanishing into thin air, however, in a volatile, all-sectors-affected market like property, the ramifications are enormous. Other companies may default. Property prices could crash.

In China, the property market is worth about 25% of the entire economy. Evergrande is the second top company in the market. A lot of Chinese and foreign finance is sunk into Evergrande, directly and indirectly.

We’re not talking about theoretical money here. The impact will be felt in hard cash, worldwide, if Evergrande collapses. A crash in the Chinese property market also has truly global reach:

Hits to property stocks could and probably would trash the related investment markets.

"Collateral damage," in the form of reduced general trade, goods, construction etc., simply due to the impact of lost money. You don’t lose six figures and rush out spending.

A lot of lost jobs for future projects across the property spectrum. Another direct physical cash hit on the real economy.

General and possibly large losses to investors and property owners due to depressed property prices. (This typically affects property market borrowers, making their credit issues a lot worse.)

Possible runs on financial institutions as investors try to bail out of risky investments or get cash to manage their commitments.

Interest rate rises due to a credit squeeze.

Much more to the point – Chinese investors in foreign markets would have to reposition to manage risk in China. The Chinese property market could be absolutely smashed.

This in turn could (and almost certainly will) mean dumping properties on the market around the world, crashing their prices. Chinese property portfolios are huge, and directly affect local property markets. (Australia is a case in point, where Chinese money helped to fuel a pretty steep range of price increases, particularly in the higher end of the market.)

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Evergrande: 2021-09-09 Evergrande: China's fragile housing giant
Posted by:badanov

#12  During the Japanese 20-year, 90% top to bottom real estate crash, Japanese investors sold their foreign holdings, including the Rockefeller Center complex, at a loss. Were they convinced that Japanese price declines were just a temporary dip, or were there no buyers for Japanese real estate at prices within striking distance of the haircuts they were taking on foreign assets, meaning Japanese assets were selling at huge discounts to last bid relative to their foreign counterparts? My bet is the latter. It was probably also inconceivable to them that a property market that had risen so predictably for decades in the postwar era could contract so massively for decades on end.

But the real bottom line is that the net effect of this slo mo Japanese property and financial market crash on the outside world's financial markets was negligible. Just how big a deal was Japan's financial market crash? The all-time Japanese stock market index high was 38,957, attained in 1989. It has never regained that high. Today's number is 29,639, and that is the highest it's been in over 30 years. That's 30 years to regain 75% of the old high. For some perspective, similarly situated, size-wise, Germany has seen its stock index increase 10x in that same time interval.
Posted by: Zhang Fei   2021-09-22 12:20  

#11  Yeah, due to China's refusal to allow the yuan to circulate freely, this won't go far beyond their borders.
Posted by: Blinky Pholuling8616   2021-09-22 11:58  

#10  Money flows into many nooks and crannies

So much so, there's a word for it: fungible.
Posted by: M. Murcek   2021-09-22 11:53  

#9  This fallout is limited to China and a handful of non-US lenders

However if the (non-existent) money was lent in Australia, New Zealand, Germany etc. The U.S. bank will catch the disease by association.

I remember a real estate deal in Sarasota wound up bankrupting Norway's national pension fund. Money flows into many nooks and crannies.
Posted by: Fat Bob Lumumba4285   2021-09-22 11:04  

#8  Punch bowl ladle us still a-churnin' here. Another year or two or three before the RE bubble bursts --- Jay "No Stagflation Here" Powell will see to that
Posted by: DaBigGuy   2021-09-22 08:27  

#7  I meant this was China's version of it. Not that it was a repeat for us. It will have repercussions for the US markets, though.
Posted by: M. Murcek   2021-09-22 08:23  

#6  Not subprime redux. Our banks didn't lend to Evergrande -- they were not allowed to by the CCP. This fallout is limited to China and a handful of non-US lenders like HSBC.
Posted by: DaBigGuy   2021-09-22 08:12  

#5  Subprime Primer
Posted by: M. Murcek   2021-09-22 08:05  

#4  A retrospective: The subprime primer - https://www.businesspundit.com/sub-prime/
Posted by: M. Murcek   2021-09-22 08:04  

#3  Just like our 2008 housing finance collapse, the good money went to buy toxic debt. Just as with our 2008 collapse, theirs is the result of gummint manipulation of banks.
Posted by: M. Murcek   2021-09-22 08:02  

#2  

So Sell now... Rent for a year, wait for the crash, then buy bigger and cheaper... like was done in 2009-2011.

Posted by: NN2N1   2021-09-22 07:38  

#1  The Bernie Madoff investment model with a Běijīng Kǎoyā twist. Shocking, no ?
Posted by: Besoeker   2021-09-22 07:31  

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