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| 2021-12-13 |
| Direct Translation via Google Translate. Edited. By Boris Rozhin [ColonelCassad] Oh, these are notable threats. The US threatens that "if Russia invades Ukraine," then the US will organize "financial isolation of Russia" and "will increase the contingent of troops in countries on the border of Russia." Everything is fine here. 1. Constant reservations "if Russia invades" seem to say that Russia did not invade Ukraine, although Ukrainian propaganda squeals about "repelling Russian aggression." 2. Interestingly, the effectiveness of "financial isolation" of Russia will be as effective as the "diplomatic isolation" promised by Obama? The promised "torn apart" economy also did not come. 3. And the very juice - the United States is threatening Russia that it will send troops not to Ukraine, but to the territory of conditional Poland, the Baltic states, Romania, Bulgaria, etc. That is, if the RF Armed Forces take control of the whole of Ukraine, then the United States threatens that the US and NATO troops near the borders of the Russian Federation will increase. At the same time, the NATO grouping in these countries is growing anyway. These are very wonderful threats and guarantees, which reflect the attitude of the United States towards Ukraine as an instrument that they want to use profitably for themselves, but do not want to enter a direct war with the Russian Federation for the sake of Ukraine. Therefore, there is a "barrier." Therefore, the Biden administration in public statements assures that the United States does not want a direct war with the Russian Federation in Ukraine. Therefore, the troops are threatening to be deployed outside Ukraine. To prevent the formation of a mechanism for launching a direct war, with obligations undesirable for the United States. Which, of course, does not negate the simple fact that Washington will try to play the Ukrainian card in a way favorable to itself. |
| Posted by:badanov |
| #29 Couldn't happen, of course, but if ancestral enemies were to forge an impossible alliance, it might involve a whole lotta heat and a whole heap of hostages. |
| Posted by: Spuck Phavith2468 2021-12-13 23:52 |
| #28 Think the American public will support your ridiculous adventure to make Ukraine Safe For The Friends of Bogolyugubrious and Zlokomoiskychevsky, have a look at the latest poll, conducted November 2021, of Americans' confidence in our military. It's by a conservative outfit called the Reagan Foundation. Read this and then ponder whether more "democratic" intervention, in yet another overseas shithole, will turn the trend around: "For the first time in our survey, a minority of Americans—only 45%—report having a great deal of trust and con dence in the military. Alarmingly, this is down 25 points in the last three years. Increasing numbers of Americans say they have little or not much confidence in the military, which is up 15 points in the last three years. "Trust and confidence in the military is down across the major demographic subgroups, including age, gender, and party identification. Since 2018, those reporting the highest level of confidence in the military have fallen - among Republicans by 34 points to 53%, - Democrats by 17 points to 42%, and - Independents by 28 points to 38%. "The highest level of confidence is down 25 points among both men and women. And it is declining among all age groups as well, down 25 points among those over 65, by 26 points among those ages 45- 64, and 28 points among those 30-44...." |
| Posted by: Merrick Ferret 2021-12-13 23:44 |
| #27 Isn't it interesting how the German prime minister retires to work for Gazprom and they accidentally slip on a banana peel and wind up always being dependent on Gazprom? |
| Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain 2021-12-13 22:56 |
| #26 As I recall the sequence, when Japan’s nuclear power plant was flooded by the tsunami, Germany mothballed their own nuclear power plants. They thought they could thrive with wind power, but that turned out only to be useful in windy weather, and overall is net negative rathwr than net positive. They’d been trying to back away from coal power, too, because of GLOBAL WARMING!!!!, depending on French nuclear power, but in the end another source was needed. Enter the Russians. |
| Posted by: trailing wife 2021-12-13 20:43 |
| #25 ^ We have a winner! |
| Posted by: M. Murcek 2021-12-13 18:41 |
| #24 From what I understand Germany shut down all of their nuclear power and they depend on gas from Russia. So basically they are helpless if Russia shuts the taps, which means Germany will not allow a European conflict with Russia. If I have my facts right then it all depends upon the US who has no real interest in the area and no interest in defending the super-wealthy and very judgy Europeans any longer. The only thing that might save Ukraine is if the Biden people believe a war could bring up poll numbers, but at this point the US is tired of wars and I think a war in Ukraine might drive Biden into single digits, especially if the Woke generals screw up something. |
| Posted by: ruprecht 2021-12-13 18:35 |
| #23 *cough* |
| Posted by: magpie 2021-12-13 17:17 |
| #22 If adventuring in Ukraine is the answer to Ukranian activities corrupting US politicians, then hey, maybe adventuring in Columbia is the solution to the cocaine problem in the US. Oh, wait... |
| Posted by: M. Murcek 2021-12-13 16:28 |
| #21 Oh, here's some more stuff from Cold Warrior Joe Biden: Biden in 2010 reportedly told a US diplomat 'f--- that' when asked if the US should stay in Afghanistan to prevent a humanitarian crisis Biden in 2010 reportedly argued the US did not have an obligation to stay in Afghanistan. "F--- that, we don't have to worry about that. We did it in Vietnam, Nixon and Kissinger got away with it," he reportedly said. Biden is facing criticism over the US withdrawal from Afghanistan after the Taliban retook the country. Apparently the Senile fuck doesn't remember that Nixon was more or less removed from office in favor of a placeholder who'd let the Democrats cut all aid to South Vietnam. (Hmm. President Placeholder. Who does that remind me of?) |
| Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain 2021-12-13 15:33 |
| #20 Remember them? The f--kers who have actually caused trillions of dollars of damage to our economy, who are helping oligarchs destroy our middle-class democracy, who share nothing in common with our heritage or culture or civilization? Remember China - the REAL threat? I remember who really bombed Pearl Harbor, but instead we went off and fought Nazi Germany instead. You're basically blaming us for the fact that there's been a Chinese/Russian alliance for the past twenty years or so, since long before the Russians invaded Ukraine back in 2014. They cooperated in the takeover of Venezuela in the 2000's, you know, in violation of that Monroe Doctrine you keep thinking's still honored somewhere. Let me guess, the hundreds of thousands killed there were "pre-revenge" for the NATO entry of Ukraine that still hasn't happened yet? |
| Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain 2021-12-13 15:28 |
| #19 "Not sell out" -- whom do you have in mind? The Azov Battalion? The fascists in Mariupol who burned civilians alive? This is like a northern version of Heart of Darkness. There's nothing for us there but evil. There are no good guys. |
| Posted by: Merrick Ferret 2021-12-13 15:17 |
| #18 We should try to broker an agreement between Russia and whatever clown is currently holding Ukraine's presidency. If do as Teddy Roosevelt could broker an end to the Tsar's war with Japan in 1906, we can certainly manage to bring an end to this wretched little war. To create a lasting peace we should propose that the current territory be demilitarized entirely -- no Russian troops, no NATO or US aid -- and partition off the eastern Novorossiisk regions. We would remove all US advisors and troops from Ukrainian territory, forswear ever bringing Ukraine into NATO and immediately begin talks to bring Russia into the US-India-Japan-Aus. de facto alliance against CHINA. Remember them? The f--kers who have actually caused trillions of dollars of damage to our economy, who are helping oligarchs destroy our middle-class democracy, who share nothing in common with our heritage or culture or civilization? Remember China - the REAL threat? |
| Posted by: Merrick Ferret 2021-12-13 15:11 |
| #17 You really think Biden knows Zlochevsky from Kolomoisky? Or Bogolyubiv from Pinchuk? Or Azov from Donbass or the Dniester from the Dnieper? Do you? He knows Zlochevsky was signing his family's paychecks. You're the one who doesn't seem to know who he was and what he was doing. Magoo doesn't know his arse from his elbow. If you want to follow this corrupt shithead into a war over a shithole that's been plundered thoroughly by bandits and scorched by fascist thugs, hey, by all means go for it. Grab your javelin and ship off with Hunter. All I really want them to do is _not sell Ukraine out_, which shouldn't require US troops. Like we had the opportunity to do in 1974/75 but didn't, when we sold Saigon out. As I said, you're probably one of the only people on the planet who thinks Joe Biden and Hunter are cold warriors. Y'all deserve each other. |
| Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain 2021-12-13 15:00 |
| #16 Thank you for clearing that up Merrick. In mentioning Sudetenland was referring to the act of appeasement - not the political-corruption (but I repeat myself) of the actors in question. Appeasement doesn't work with mobs like Antifa/BLM nor with countries. Besides if we allow Russia to invade Ukraine - what can we say when China invades Taiwan? |
| Posted by: CrazyFool 2021-12-13 14:57 |
| #15 You really think Biden knows Zlochevsky from Kolomoisky? Or Bogolyubiv from Pinchuk? Or Azov from Donbass or the Dniester from the Dnieper? Do you? Magoo doesn't know his arse from his elbow. If you want to follow this corrupt shithead into a war over a shithole that's been plundered thoroughly by bandits and scorched by fascist thugs, hey, by all means go for it. Grab your javelin and ship off with Hunter. But leave the rest of us out of it. The US (unlike the Bidens and Kerry-Heinzes and other grifters) has zero national interest in that wretched place. None. |
| Posted by: Merrick Ferret 2021-12-13 14:45 |
| #14 ^ Nice! A Mary Cloggenstein of Brattleboro VT reference! |
| Posted by: Frank G 2021-12-13 14:35 |
| #13 It also occurs to me that you and Mary Cloggenstein of Brattleboro VT may be the only two people on the planet who really think Biden is actually opposed to Putin instead of an appeaser. |
| Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain 2021-12-13 13:17 |
| #12 Ah because Putin used Ukranian proxies (like Mykola Zlochevsky) to pay off Hunter it's the Ukranians who are corrupt and not Putin and Biden? This is just one of the enabling lies that lets you believe you're not a collaborator with Putin _and_ Biden, against people who don't want to be subjected to a foreign authoritarian state that starved them to death in the millions in the leadup to the second world war. |
| Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain 2021-12-13 12:55 |
| #11 you will have more far flung stories to post! |
| Posted by: Greng Black3494 2021-12-13 12:42 |
| #10 As to those who make ridiculous references to 1939: Do you even know who's who in Ukraine today? So Putin's a bandit - OK, let's look at your beloved Ukrainian shit-government whose criminality and violence are world-class. You raise the specter of Hitler while ignoring that the Ukrainian government is rife with real, unvarnished, genocidal fascists. You do realize, don't you, that the Ukrainian shit-regime that our incompetent State Department and Biden admin officials consider our "ally" includes the exact same type of fascists that your upside-down historical analogy supposes? Do you know who "Right Sector" are? The "Azov Battalion"? Did you know that in May 2014 in Odessa these monsters and neo-Nazis burned alive scores of Russian-speaking civilians, taunting them as they burned and hacking off limbs of other civilians who escaped the Trades Union House building which Ukraine's actual fascists torched after civilian protestors fled there while trying to escape marauding hordes? Whatever your feelings about Putin -- I get it, he's a d*ck and a thief -- this is a nightmare conflict in which "our side" has nothing whatsoever to recommend it. They're corrupt as sin and thuggish murderers who have done nothing for us but pay off the depraved spawn of our demented puppet-president while forgot-nothing, learned-nothing Cold Warriors re-enact their mindless anti-Russia games. No better symbol of American decadence and decay in the age of Soetoro and Magoo. |
| Posted by: Merrick Ferret 2021-12-13 12:23 |
| #9 Let Hunter Biden back into the Navy and give him a Black Sea billet on the USS Arleigh Burke. Hunter could entertain the swabs as they patrol the Black Sea with some of the videos he filmed posing as "Robert Hunter" on pr0nHub. Morale-booster. Virtual shore leave, with no risk of an Odessa Surprise. |
| Posted by: Merrick Ferret 2021-12-13 11:10 |
| #8 Why should Putin restrain himself? No one else seems to in going after what they want. |
| Posted by: Chris 2021-12-13 10:40 |
| #7 #6 Euro conflicts, the gift that keeps on giving. Let them sort it out.Posted by: Besoeker 2021-12-13 09:29 ...This. We have saved Western Europe twice in a century, and they have learned NOTHING. Mike |
| Posted by: Mike Kozlowski 2021-12-13 10:29 |
| #6 Euro conflicts, the gift that keeps on giving. Let them sort it out. |
| Posted by: Besoeker 2021-12-13 09:29 |
| #5 Am I the only person who is sick and tired of the eurines' "Oh, please, come help! We promise to only kick you lightly in the balls next time we get the chance." |
| Posted by: M. Murcek 2021-12-13 08:20 |
| #4 Because permitting another empire builder in Europe can't possibly have negative consequences! Why the hell can't Putin restrain himself? |
| Posted by: Rob Crawford 2021-12-13 08:03 |
| #3 Europe has had over one hundred years to observe the Russian, then the Soviet, and now once again the Russian. If the combined strength and military prowess of all of Europe has no plan to deal with the Russian, it should be little of our concern. Stay out of it! If they (the Russians) take a shot at us, say nothing and smite the fok out of them. Then return to saying nothing. |
| Posted by: Besoeker 2021-12-13 06:15 |
| #2 "You can have |
| Posted by: CrazyFool 2021-12-13 01:08 |
| #1 Uh, Boris, if calling Poland "the territory of conditional Poland" was meant to be funny or reassuring, it didn't work. |
| Posted by: Secret Master 2021-12-13 00:41 |