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Did the true number of Russian troop deaths in Ukraine just leak?
2022-03-22
[HotAir] I can't understand how, or why, a pro-Kremlin paper would publish a number like this. As juicy as it is, surely they would have realized how embarrassing it is for their masters and what sort of consequences there might be for revealing it.

I can't understand either who would have leaked it, as this information must be closely held.

And frankly, given how incompetent the Russians seem and how indifferent they are to loss of life, I'm surprised they're keeping a count of their own fallen troops to begin with.

But the figure is shocking if true. In less than a month of war, this would easily exceed the number of U.S. KIA in Iraq and Afghanistan, two conflicts that spanned nearly 30 years combined.

Komsomolskaya Pravda, the pro-Kremlin tabloid, says that according to Russian ministry of defense numbers, 9,861 Russian soldiers died in Ukraine and 16,153 were injured. The last official Russian KIA figure, on March 2, was 498. Fascinating that someone posted the leaked number.

The Red Army lost 15,000 men during the Soviet war in Afghanistan. Over 10 years.

As gaudy as the apparently leaked number is, it's in line with other estimates. Five days ago, sources in U.S. intelligence told the Times they believed 7,000 Russians had been killed - conservatively.

Other estimates circulating are higher:

A former internal affairs minister of #Ukraine
@AvakovArsen
shared the intercepted Russian military summary for March 18: Rus. Army troops killed 12,814. Private company Liga (former Vagner) troops killed 4,451. Total number of service members killed at war in Ukraine: 17,265.

That's not wildly out of line with the number published in Komsomolskaya Pravda. Maybe the Ukrainian figures encompass regular Russian forces plus "separatists" fighting in the Donbas while the KP figures are limited to regular forces only.

If it's true that 10,000 Russians have been killed and another 16,000 wounded, that's more than 10 percent of the total force out of action in less than a month, with no obvious prospects for mass reinforcements to fill the manpower vacuum.
Someone on the Pravda staff is going to get shot.
Posted by:DarthVader

#8  This number probably does not include members of the Dzerzhinsky Division, Rosgvardia (including SOBR) or OMON. That's several hundred right there. Throw in the Chechen militias and you have an extra thousand dead.
Posted by: Tarzan Cheating8715   2022-03-22 15:29  

#7  Someone on the Pravda staff is going to get shot

Fox and CNN should be so honest.
Posted by: Woodrow   2022-03-22 11:39  

#6  Russia does not playact war.

This appears true. However, they do it so ineffectively that they have to rely upon total overwhelming resources to resolve it. It goes to the heart of Russian fatalism to accept the level of waste and destruction. Pyrrhic Victory is not a term in their vocabulary.
Posted by: Procopius2k   2022-03-22 08:58  

#5  haven't seen killed/wounded numbers from the Ukraine side lately

regarding the killed/wounded ratio -- I also would have thought the ratio would be more like 1:4 rather than the 1:1.5 but if the Russian battlefield medical op is as sloppy as their logistics than I suppose the 1:1.5 is possible
Posted by: Lord Garth   2022-03-22 08:32  

#4  EXCLUSIVE: Russia reveals it has had 'almost 10,000 soldiers killed with another 16,000 injured' as satellite photos show Putin's forces digging in around Kyiv and 'planting mines' in sign that their advance has stalled
Posted by: Skidmark   2022-03-22 08:09  

#3  Russia does not playact war

They just fake training, maintenance, spares, and logistics.

Seriously -- have you considered they're not the idols you believe them to be?
Posted by: Rob Crawford   2022-03-22 06:22  

#2  I do not believe Russian troops' losses are anywhere near this. 10,000 deaths would mean 30 to 40 thousand wounded. We would notice figures like this.

Posted by: BernardZ   2022-03-22 05:02  

#1  given how incompetent the Russians seem and how indifferent they are to loss of life

Idiots. Putin just told them what they wanted to believe anyway. Russia does not playact war. It will under report the damage it is causing and over report losses. Only the final objective here matters not the fake machismo other armies spend billions on. They don't wage war for 'face' or advertisement of their MIC.
Posted by: Cthulhu of Ryleh   2022-03-22 04:40  

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