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Why were they silent about Kramatorsk?
2022-04-14
Direct Translation via Google Translate. Edited.

Commentary by Russian military blogger Andrey Chervonets.

[Chernovec] The facts speak eloquently that on April 8, 2022, the Ukrainian military struck at the Kramatorsk railway station, where there were many residents of the city who intended to evacuate, with a Tochka-U missile.

Guilty, despite the egregious facts of involvement in this APU and quickly blurred this topic. The provocation in Kramatorsk was silenced very quickly. But we remember everything.

I will summarize all the information in one post in the form of a brief summary so that those who wish can freely operate this information if they have to face supporters of the Zelensky regime in the discussion.

a) At the site of the missile's fall , its tail was found, which clearly indicates that it was "Tochka-U , a missile in service with the Ukrainian army."

b) Russia does not have such missiles in service. RF Armed Forces consistently in the period 2010-2019. completely re-equipped all their 12 missile brigades from Tochek-U to Iskanders and completely removed obsolete missiles from service. The reference to the Tochka-U firing on February 15, 2022 is not relevant during the exercises in Belarus - Belarusian complexes were fired, Belarus has more than 30 of them in service.

c)The footage cited by the Ukrainian media, where wheeled mobile platforms are moving, on which, among other things, missile systems can be located, was also filmed in Belarus. And it is necessary to pay attention, there are no missiles on them.

These are three-axle automobile chassis BAZ-5921. This wheelbase has many modifications - it is the same not only for "Points", but for radars (for example, it uses the Credo-1S radar station (1L268), for loaders, these are modifications of the chassis for transporting goods with a direct tailgate.

d)The direction the rocket came from is southwest. This is indicated by a fragment of the tail of the rocket. Not only where the shank lying on the ground is directed. More importantly, the missile shoots off the tail 500 m from the target and then flies scattering the warhead (cassette). That is, through two points - the place where the liner fell and the place of the explosion, you can also draw a vector, and it pointed to the southwest. The simplest and indisputable geometry. This means that the missiles could not arrive from the territory controlled by the Russian Armed Forces or the DPR and LPR.

An additional confirmation of arrival from the southwest is the chat of the TG channel "Typical Kramatorsk", local residents heard the flight over Druzhkovka, a village southwest of Kramatorsk.

A little later, the Ministry of Defense of the RY also officially confirmed that this was the work of the 19th Separate Missile Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the same brigade that fired on Donetsk on March 14 this year with numerous casualties among the civilian population. The shelling was carried out from the settlement. Dobropolye, which is 45 kilometers southwest of the city. By the way, the flight path in this case also goes through Druzhkovka, where the locals heard the rocket flying.

e) The arrived missile cannot be one of the missiles launched shortly before by the air defense of the DPR in Shakhtyorsk. Shakhtyorsk is located 112 km southeast of Kramatorsk, but not in the southwest, where the rocket came from. Air defense missiles were launched no later than 10:13 hrs (recorded by a posted video in the chat group of the TG-channel "Typical Donetsk"). The footage shows that this is the work of air defense systems, which, by the way, as usual, make twin volleys of rockets. The Tochki-U sustainer engine runs for 22-23 seconds. On the specified video, the operation of the main engine is much less - 10-12 seconds.

At 10:29 hrs, people in Kramatorsk heard an explosion and immediately started asking each other in chats what it was. Thus, at least 16 minutes elapsed between the launch in Shakhtyorsk and the explosion in Kramatorsk. The flight time does not coincide at all, the Tochka-U flies its maximum range of 120 km according to the performance characteristics in just 136 seconds, and this missile cannot hover in the air to take a tactical pause.

f) On April 9, journalists from the Italian TV channel La7 managed to film fragments of a 9M79-1 rocket of the Tochka-U complex that fired at Kramatorsk. On the frames, the serial number of the product is Ш (Sh)91579. These are figures from the same batch as the missiles that the Armed Forces of Ukraine have already used in Donbass .

The attack of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Kramatorsk took place exactly a few hours before the arrival in Kyiv of the EU High Commissioners Ursula von der Leyen and Josep Borrell, read - the EU Prime Minister and Foreign Minister.

Posted by:badanov

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Posted by: Flater Forkbeard8651   2022-04-14 17:28  

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Posted by: Skidmark   2022-04-14 09:46  

#1  The Ukrainians claim that the Russians do have such missiles in service.

Amnesty International (not a good source, I consider, but it is what I have found) said that some were used by the Russians earlier in this conflict.
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/02/russian-military-commits-indiscriminate-attacks-during-the-invasion-of-ukraine/
Posted by: BernardZ   2022-04-14 03:58  

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