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| 2022-05-17 |
| Direct Translation via Google Translate. Edited. Commentary by Russian military journalist Boris Rozhin: Sladkov on figures from Azovstal. 1. In total, over 2,500 people were there at the time the commissioning began. 2. Of these, 804 people are "Azov". 3. Of the total number of wounded is 404, of which 55 are severe. 4. Over 200 frozen corpses. 5. Three are our prisoners (1 officer, 2 soldiers) Video here https://t.me/boris_rozhin/49000 According to the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, 265 people surrendered yesterday, 55 of them were wounded. The wounded are all in Novoazovsk. The rest are in the Yelenovskaya colony. From the Twitter account of Reports of Novorussia, a film of the evacuation of detainees from Azovstal: — Сводки Новороссии (@myrevolutionrus) May 17, 2022 More from the Twitter account of Reports of Novorussia: Khodakovsky writes that the AFU garrison at Azovstal is starting a mass surrender. "They are moving everywhere (from all holes), digging out and pulling towards our bridge..." Khodakovsky is the name of a Donetsk formation commander. |
| Posted by:badanov |
| #9 give President Vladimir Putin a stronger position in any negotiated settlement to end the war, U.S. officials have said Great news. Finally a lasting peace settlement is in sight. This is the time to start serious talks and bring this foolishness to a conclusion. Putin has achieved what he wanted: Ukraine in ruins, the entire Azov Battalion exterminated or in Russian custody, and complete control of the southern land bridge to Crimea. Now his tanks and troops need to exit the rest of Ukraine. This is the time to make the best bargain Ukraine can possibly hope for: withdrawal of all Russian troops in all areas West of the Donbas and not bordering the Black Sea or Azov in exchange for a guarantee of neutrality for Ukraine. The US MIC can sell Ukraine $40 billion of hardware for its defense and keep the stolen Russian assets. Russia will keep its possessions in the south and east. |
| Posted by: Gerthudion Snolung8939 2022-05-17 19:55 |
| #8 Now even The New York Slimes is admitting it -- using Tge 'S' word in a huge headline and making only weak efforts to spin it as other than a devastating loss for Ukraine: Surrender at Mariupol "The surrender at Mariupol solidified the conquest of a once-thriving southeastern port, which unlocks a land corridor between Crimea and east Ukraine. This would give President Vladimir Putin a stronger position in any negotiated settlement to end the war, U.S. officials have said." |
| Posted by: Jase Snetle1858 2022-05-17 19:48 |
| #7 The guy in the top hat at 0:48... |
| Posted by: M. Murcek 2022-05-17 18:46 |
| #6 I read through the text at #4 and found it to be exactly what the poster said: balanced and accurate. They presented the Russian view, and then presented the Ukrainian view, fairly and concisely, with no attempt to slant the story. It doesn't use any inflammatory language. It just recites facts; it's reporting the way it used to be done. What exactly about those sentences Is not balanced or accurate? |
| Posted by: Snakes Angetch4655 2022-05-17 18:36 |
| #5 That’s from Russia Today yesterday. link Russia Today is a Russian state-controlled international television network funded by the Russian government. So yes, dreadfully balanced and accurate. (No sarcasm when that last sentence is understood literally. Otherwise very heavily sarcastic indeed — both statements are true because words are fun.) |
| Posted by: trailing wife 2022-05-17 18:08 |
| #4 balanced and accurate This is one of the most balanced and accurate brief summaries available: "Azovstal serves as the last bastion of Ukrainian troops in Mariupol, a major port city that saw some of the most intense fighting during Russia’s offensive in Ukraine. The vast facility has an extensive network of underground tunnels and shelters, where Ukrainian fighters are holed up. "Russia decided not to storm the site, saying it would take too many lives of its soldiers, and opted for a prolonged siege instead. Ukrainian troops stationed there, many of whom belong to the controversial nationalist Azov battalion, have been complaining about a shortage of food, medical supplies and ammunition for weeks. "The German- and French-brokered Minsk protocols were designed to give the breakaway regions special status within the Ukrainian state.The Kremlin has since demanded that Ukraine officially declare itself a neutral country that will never join the US-led NATO military bloc. Kiev insists the Russian offensive was completely unprovoked and has denied claims it was planning to retake the two republics by force." |
| Posted by: Crump Clolurong2658 2022-05-17 15:34 |
| #3 ^ Back at you with that comment. Everyone has their corner on the news. Take your pick. |
| Posted by: Dale 2022-05-17 15:23 |
| #2 Just because they tell you what you want to hear doesn't mean they're accurate. |
| Posted by: Rob Crawford 2022-05-17 10:40 |
| #1 How pathetic that we can't even get straight news and basic facts from our own media outlets. China's state media, Indian media, even Russia Today provide more objective, balanced and accurate reporting than the American and British news outlets. |
| Posted by: Winky Angavimp8054 2022-05-17 09:26 |